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Why does it have to take decades? That sounds insane

To modernize a running system, you have to duplicate everything so that you can someday do a switchover.

For commerce tech, you switch, see what breaks, switch back and adjust for next try. You may have lost some sales. But probably just inconvenienced people.

When doing travel systems, something breaking is likely a lot of deaths.


A wide variety of decades-old aircraft, and even newer aircraft are often modernized versions of ancient aircraft models. All of them built and operated with the motto "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", because every change brings risk (and costs money).

There was also a lot of resistance to the idea that every aircraft should broadcast its position, heading, etc. because of privacy concerns. And as long as there are holdouts the tower can't rely on the information being available


Have you read the various reports that are available right there on the web page?

Large infrastructure projects always take decades.

Look at the railroad development in EU for example. You have to invent a lot of tech (signaling, communication between trains, interoperability with old systems), build a lot of infrastructure, train a lot of people and roll it out at scale with the goal of zero accidents.

It is just impossible to do quickly.


Yeah, but some of the next generation upgrades have already been successfully tested at some facilities and it's just a problem of updating the rest. Sure it will take years, but it shouldn't take a decade after successful testing in the field.

Why ... does that feel so good


What do those companies look like externally? Are they publically known?


Some are specialized, some are diversified. Definitely public, I believe they all have to be listed on fedgov's contractor list? Some are obvious weapons contractors, some aren't (like extensions of big-name universities). If you see job listings for weapons development, cyber ops, secret-clearance software dev, cryptography, etc, that's a clue.


Do you know what automated filters they use? Like what companies product does it? I’m curious to take a look at how they work


Why should college be very expensive for rich people?


Because they can afford it. It's a redistribution tactic. You can also phrase it like this: college should be free for all to attend. Then, as long as you have a progressive tax scheme, the outcome is the same. Cheap for the poor, expensive for the rich.


Then are you suggesting buying anything should work like this?


Are you suggesting education is like potatoes?


I would say it is more a service, like a massage or a week in a resort hotel.


Like a massage? You can't be serious. I would consider it a basic service like healthcare, power, or water, so it should be easily accessible, have certain quality standards and very affordable, basically a decision to go there shouldn't have any financial impact.. but surely that's ideal.


And yet whoever works in education is not appreciated all around the world. For some reason whoever teach children lives on small salary(often minimal wage) but with high requirements.


If you are an education provider, yes. If you are receiving education, I'd say it's totally different due to expected value added over the student lifetime.


Not at all. But in markets with inelastic demand, I'd say this is probably the way to go.


According to the old story, the New York Times asked a famous bank robber why he robbed banks. The answer: Because that's where the money is.

The money for funding public and quasi-private (universities and hospitals) institutions has to come from somewhere. Making it equally affordable for everybody doesn't raise enough money to maintain operations. Same for funding the government.

Granted, I think all of those institutions are due for reforms, which have little chance of happening right now, but still, I think the basic funding equation can't be eliminated.


> The money for funding public and quasi-private (universities and hospitals) institutions has to come from somewhere. Making it equally affordable for everybody doesn't raise enough money to maintain operations. Same for funding the government.

That's what taxes are for: you take proportionally more from people with more assets. I find the entire conversation about "not wanting my tax dollars to pay for some millionaire's kids' education", because those millionaires would end up paying the difference in taxes (under a fair system) than they do now.

That's without even considering the perverse incentives at play when a wealthy parent can use the payment or withholding of payment for education as a way to control their kids. Just because a parent is wealthy it doesn't necessarily mean that the kid would have access to those funds, or that explicit or implicit requirements that could be imposed to access those funds would be reasonable.


Indeed, and I think we're not far apart on this. I would support funding of things like education and healthcare through progressive taxation, and making them free, or some nominal cost.


This is a good question- I’m not sure why you’re down voted.


How does it not support the claim? More people more housing need.


Not the same kind of housing.

People who are crossing the border illegally are never going to come close to qualifying for a mortgage, at least in next 5-10 years.

But a different kind of immigration does affect the crisis, and it is on the other end. You can fast track permanent residency by investing money, around $1m, into a US business. So every corrupt technocrats, police and army higher ups, politicians, gang leaders, unscrupulous business people I know of from my native developing country own multiple houses for themselves, their spouses and kids in US and Canada. This is what is making homeownership more and more unaffordable for average Americans.


The link is about the number of people Border Patrol caught, and thus won't be using US housing (or will be doing so legally as refugees). It's safe to assume there are others who don't get caught, but it provides no information about whether this is increasing, decreasing or forms a significant portion of the population growth.

From 2007 to 2019 the estimated number of unauthorized immigrants was slightly declining[1], at the same time that the population of the US as a whole (and the housing shortage) was growing, so it certainly wasn't a significant part of the problem then. From 1990 to 2007, the unauthorized migrant population grew about 500k/year relative to about 3M/year total. Even unauthorized migrants accounted for 17% of the population like they did then, which is debatable, that still wouldn't account for all of the discrepancy between housing growth and population growth. So it is fair to ask for numbers that actually support the parents position.

[1] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/11/16/what-we-k...


Furthermore, the housing supply is supposed to be responding to demand. Its failure to do so is a problem regardless of where that demand is coming from. It has been clear that we have had a growing housing shortage for decades, but it took a generation of population turnover and insanely unsustainable prices before political pressure grew to the point to change regulations and allow the housing market to be able to even begin to respond. Without the migrant population growth there is a very good chance we would have still allowed the problem to get just as bad before we finally responded, it just would have taken a bit longer.


This talks about "encounters" at the border which really means how many people are caught at the border and are waiting for a hearing. To make the claim you want to make, you would need to know how many of those people actually get hearings and are admitted into the country.


Why don't we have foreign workers temporarily come and do this cheaply then?


The money isn't going to the workers.


Pay what it costs for people to live good lives


Labor for public projects is so messed up that we basically can’t build anything without paying 10-100x what China would pay to do it. Eventually we simply get economically outcompeted, or maybe we invent robots to make the projects feasible again.


> or maybe we invent robots to make the projects feasible again.

In the introductory, "disruption" phase it will come in at about half the current cost. Then, once the current market and expertise has been destroyed, they can rack-in maximum profit by jacking up their prices, with added, predatory inconveniences, such as "cleaning costs".


That’s because China is an authoritarian dictatorship that uses forced labor. That’s who you’re pining to be.


It really isn’t. I’m as big a critic of China as anyone, but assuming its workers are all slaves who aren’t advancing up the tech chain is really dangerous, very stupid.


I didn’t say all labor was forced, I said they use forced labor. Which they do. Your middle of the road ultra-orthodoxy is the dangerous attitude here.


China doesn’t use forced labor for anything important. It’s mostly just a more extreme version of work in American prisons, although they focus more on the re-education than work aspect (it sounds like a good thing, but it isn’t). The people building bridges, viaducts, and tunnels, are not forced, are actually getting really skilled at it. China could stop all liaojiao and laogai tomorrow and virtually nothing would change about this.


What if you have to make the actual choice of paying them what can be afforded ir not paying at all?


Your dreams of having slaves are so revealing


There may have been a typo but your reading comprehension seems pretty horrible. Let me rephrase.

The choice is never between "Pay what it costs for people to live good lives" and paying less than that. The choice is between paying what the company can afford or having no job at all.

I'd prefer everyone be making enough money to buy a 2000 sqft house and groceries with enough left over for leisure but that option isn't on the table.


It’s not on the table because you don’t want it. That’s it.


Company A makes Widget for $20. It takes 1 Employee B hour to make a Widget. Widgets cost Company A $8 to manufacture. After accounting for management overhead, logistics and the cost of storage, Company A clears $10 per widget. Company A can only afford to pay Employee B $10 to break even, this is not a living wage.

In this scenario, you'd prefer Widgets not exist and Employee B not have a job.

Since you're going to say, "Raise the price of Widgets!". $20 is the ideal price point for product, any more or less and the volume sold * profit falls and the possible wage for Employee B will drop.


I love this comment. It succinctly pulls it all together!


Is this satire? 10mph and over is usually with the flow of traffic. Many speed limits are artificially low and that’s why traffic flows faster.


Having to break the law to keep up with the flow of traffic has been weirdly normalized in the US. I don't disagree that speed limits are artificially low in many cases, but the expectation that everyone should respond to this by exceeding the limit (instead of maybe lobbying to get the limit changed) seems goofy.

And it moves from goofy to dangerous when the response of many drivers to people who don't respond that way is to behave super aggressively towards anyone going the speed limit, even if they're in the right-hand lane.


what you're seeing is a different kind of breakdown of law-and-order. instead of not enough regulation to the point of anarchy, at a certain point a highly bureaucratic highly regulated system gets to the point of over-regulation. instead of reducing "crime" it perversely increases. this isn't "goofy", it's very predictable and certainly can be dangerous.

take california where this kind of speeding is rampant.

- it has very regressive speed laws compared to other western states with similar roads. it has 55mph maximum for trucks (and cars) pulling trailers and on two-lane. 65mph anywhere else maximum. most neighboring states have eliminated split speed limits and have 75 or 80 max.

- it has a comparatively large, very professional highway patrol (CHP). it certainly isn't for lack of enforcement capability.

- a very large population (39M) means state politics is a combination of huge bureaucracy and big money. there's a proposition system, but even that is essentially inaccessible without lots of money. even if something good did start organically, by the time it was mangled by the self-serving politicians it'd end up worse than where it started.

- california has roads and drivers. lots and lots of both. and lots of urban sprawl too. nearly everyone has to contend with it, like it or not.

so the reason "everyone" responds to this by exceeding the limit, is that it's easier than the alternatives. a majority of the drivers "realize" (to some extent) that they have approximately three options:

a) drive the speed limit and get punished by other drivers and sometimes law enforcement [1],

b) same as a, but make it one's life mission to change the laws effectively, or

c) put your foot in it and go with the flow of the herd. even if there were 10x the CHP presence, they can't stop everyone.

there are so many people who vote this way with their accelerator pedal, that if you go with the flow of traffic even if it's 20mph over the posted limit for 10 years you might not get a ticket. if you ever do, no harm, no foul: you were simply randomly selected for the "extra road tax".

this is a different kind of democracy. it's very "direct" and very real time. the rules aren't written down, but they aren't imaginary either. in short, it's the polar opposite of the dejure government system. it's actually extremely democratic: one car, one vote for the "correct" speed.

of course there are outliers and "criminals" in this society: the guy in the black mercedes who "doesn't give a shit" and wants to go as fast as he can. his concern for the other drivers is as slalom obstacles. AND ALSO the guy who sets his speed control to whatever the sign says and becomes an obstruction. they are both ignoring the other drivers and thumbing their nose at the rules of that society.

it's a lot worse than "goofy". when you've conditioned people that the "right" way to effect change in government, whether democracy or not, is defacto closed-off and inaccessible. and then there's a problem, people will organically find a way to fix the problem. if the cheapest easiest way is simply to ignore the dejure government rules en-mass, that's what will happen. it's hard to imagine how to "get back" from it, if that's what you want. it's a testament to the unprofessionalism, selfishness, and pure stupidity of our elected officials that they've ignored this possibility allowed it to cross that line.

as for speeding, if california would post really reasonable speed limits, a larger group of people might find it "not worth it" to go faster than posted. perhaps they didn't really want to go faster in the first place. you'd have to make this a solid majority in order to cause the pirate society to fail. it doesn't seem that likely. it's pretty cheap to just ignore something.

[1] if you drive substantially slower than the "herd", perversely you will draw more CHP attention and be more likely to be pulled over. are you drunk? is your car unsafe? are you on the phone? violating CVC 24000? are you unlicensed or uninsured? are you simply the first/slowest car the motor-officer catches up to, and therefore a safer/faster option to get to the next doughnut?


Incredible comment. I have always used a radar detector and Waze to speed pretty much whenever I want. Despite increasing attempts by state legislature to stop my speeding, I just learn more countermeasures. Keep in mind I’m talking about driving 85-90 on a 70mph straight interstate (i70) not flying thru a neighborhood

Moreover, the coming generation of cops don’t see speeding the same way older cops do, so yes you can’t speed, but in my state cops are rarely sitting in medians and doing enforcement (and definitely not going thru all the trouble to hide in the trees and risk their life to pull out on a highway), post Covid and with the new gen of cops it’s very noticeable. Savvy speeders know this, and the cops that are there are marked on Waze or are going to be detected by radar otherwise.

The rules are unwritten. Like you said, but beyond that - You can use signals intel (radar) and intel (Waze) in combo with situational awareness to avoid most situations where you’d get caught (most of the time) the decision to make this calculated risk and rely on your skills and equipment lets you avoid the law. Stuff like this happens with regulations all over I imagine


I am 100% serious. It is unjust that I, as an immigrant to this country who can be deported if I commit crimes, have to violate the posted law in order to keep up with the flow of traffic.


General advice:

Stay in the second to right lane. Never go more than 7 miles over. After 10 miles over, the tickets get expensive, and the police have more of a reason to pull you over. 7 mph accounts for speedometer errors and makes you part of the pack but not the speediest.

Make your car look respectable; Like it's driven by a person who could contest a ticket.

If pulled over: Be polite but not obsequious. When asked, immediately admit to going 7 miles over as a matter of fact so you don't get tailgaters. You'll most likely get a warning.


I know quite a few people, and I was once one myself, who simply keep to the limit. You can assert your right to drive only the speed limit, you have that.


That is what I do, because politicians in my jurisdiction constantly talk about "law and order" and being a "nation of laws", in addition to much anti-immigration rhetoric.

I still get tailgated, honked at, and road raged. Often by a large pickup truck.


Yes, it takes a bit of fortitude to stand against something similar to peer pressure. Modeling behavior, like fully stopping at stop signs, always using blinkers, getting your passengers to use their belts, etc. can take a bit of a mindset.

Ultimately, lawbreakers will break laws. Just like the trope of getting a gun illegally.


Peer pressure is one thing. But tailgaters and road ragers could put your life in danger.


traffic flows faster because the roads widths and other affordances are designed for high speed, even on low speed roads.

If you want people to go slower, make the roads/lanes narrower.


Indeed, we build roads that feel like you should go 45mph on them and then slap a sign that says 25 down and wonder why pedestrians die. US road design is trash.


US road design undoubtedly is hot garbage, but US drivers are trash too. Nobody's forcing anyone to speed through a neighborhood regardless of street design, following the posted limit so you don't mow down pedestrians isn't that hard.


True, though I live in the Netherlands now and the drivers here (mostly) obey because speed limits are actually enforced and the street design is better. They’re not somehow more virtuous I think.


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