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That article says it’s just a BT beacon chip left on, nothing else in the phone is on.


I'm wondering if airplane mode would disable that too.


That's what they want you to belive!

How does this term bring out so much anger? I hope everything is ok in your life


There's articles all over the place about it if you look. For example:

https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/apt31-chine...


Articles and headlines themselves do not constitute evidence. All we get from your Reuters article is an allegation from the US Government (of Iraq WMD fame), and a denial from the Chinese Government. It's hearsay not evidence. Where is the evidence?


Have you ever taken hallucinogens?


I have always had the same with the sound of lawnmowers, since I was a kid. There was no difference before or after the time in my life that I tried hallucinogens.


I did and my affliction makes the effect so much better than I hear from friends. A glass of shroom tea taken outside has me see full armadas with theatrical music marching through the skies. LSD well, I haven’t taken it for 30 years because I have with shrooms what others have with lsd, just a lot shorter.


Not a single one. Only alcohol (rarely) and caffeine (frequently) that would be counted as "drugs".


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You can decide this by not owning an Apple device


This is not a great argument given that Apple is in the business of selling Apple devices.

My original incentive for spending the last 15 years and thousands of dollars in the Apple ecosystem is that their products would "just work" for my family.

Nowadays I'm spending hours on the phone with our daughter who's in tears because Apple keeps locking her out of her iPad or laptop.

I'm also not going to get into my mom having a lifetime's worth of photographs locked up in her iMac that we're literally only going to be able to get hold of if I take an overseas trip to England to do it myself. (btw, if anyone can recommend an Apple shop in the south of England who actually know what they're doing…)

So guess where Dad is shopping these holidays?

Yup, not Apple!


This line gets repeated a lot. Sometimes people need both A and B, but they have to choose A xor B.

There's so little competition in this space that voting with your wallet barely moves the needle. Giving a company public feedback doesn't hurt.


I mean, this is the obvious end state for a lot of us. I've been an Apple fanboy and Mac owner for over 10 years, and Apple is slowly but surely losing me as a customer due to all these ideas that nerf their computers "for my own sake". I don't need protection from my computer and applications, and my computer does not need protection from me. The user should be the final authority on what gets run on the computer, and Apple has been steadily drifting from this principle.

My next computer will sadly probably not be a Mac. Who knows what I won't be allowed to do with it by the time it comes to refresh mine.


That's the decision I came to a couple of years ago after 18 years as an Apple hardware user. Having said that, I still use an iPhone because the use and risk profiles are so different. The phone is literally the "keys to my kingdom".


Obviously.


How would you provide this type of locking system without giving users access to their own private keys, then having a much worse problem where dozens of users lose their private keys and forever brick their device?


A system where users can recover their devices if they successfully hold onto their private keys is much better than a system where they can't recover their devices at all without Apple's reluctant help.


Maybe for power users, sure. But for regular people (Apple’s biggest market) it’s not an issue: they just register their devices and don’t have to worry about it.


Isn’t the issue in this case that the use didn’t enable “find my mac” in the first place, the thief was able to tie the device to their account and then brick it?

I assume he would’ve been able to recover it if he had “held on to his private key” (having the device be linked to his account being the current equivalent)?


I wouldn't. It's unethical and frankly evil. Physical access should always trump any remotely installed policies, otherwise you can never truly own something.

This, and remote attestation, are tools to enforce DRM. The anti theft stuff is just a marketing strategy you fell for.


>Physical access should always trump any remotely installed policies

so if you steal something and therefore have physical access to it, that should trump the original owner who no longer has it because you stole it even if they have the receipt with the serial number on it?


Yeah. Techbros aren't the new police.


> It's unethical and frankly evil. Physical access should always trump any remotely installed policies,

Isn’t that what happened here? The thief and not the owner reported it as “stolen” and thus bricked. The thief could’ve as well just thrown an actual brick on it with similar effects

> The anti theft stuff is just a marketing strategy you fell for.

Also it works. Both for deincentivizing theft and allows you to recover the device had you actually enabled the feature (so not this case)


> Isn’t that what happened here? The thief and not the owner reported it as “stolen” and thus bricked. The thief could’ve as well just thrown an actual brick on it with similar effects

I see your point, but if it were me in OP’s shoes, I’d be annoyed by the fact that even though I chose not to enable the anti-theft stuff, Apple presumes that the laptop is “unowned” and can still be enrolled into the anti-theft service. I would much rather have the laptop ship with a physical copy of the private key that will unlock the device (paper with a QR code on it would be sufficient), that way I retain ownership of the device regardless of what the thief does. Everything else could stay the same.

Edit: also, reporting as stolen is not the same as a thief smashing the laptop with a brick — the crucial difference is that by reporting as stolen, the thief retains access to the device while locking out anyone else. The post even speculates that the shop involved used this technique to extort the person who brought the laptop to them.


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Millions of children are gonna die if iPhones don't have DRM? No.


What are you even talking about? That's just a bunch of exaggerated nonsense lol


> without giving users access to their own private keys

I wouldn't. If someone has a device that is unusable without keys they don't have, they don't actually own that device. Far be it from me to quote the crypto crowd but "not your keys...."


That doesn't make sense. First of all, "this type of locking system" is clearly a failure because it allowed an unauthorized random person to report a computer as "lost" when he didn't own it. So the answer to your first question is: You wouldn't.

Second, what does this even mean: "without giving users access to their own private keys, then having a much worse problem where dozens of users lose their private keys and forever brick their device?" What scenario exactly does that refer to?


> because it allowed an unauthorized random person to report a computer as "lost"

Because (if I under the article correctly?) the owner hadn’t actually enabled “find my mac”?


The (admittedly vague article) said it was "wiped," though. By whom?


By the thief/shop who linked it to their account? IIRC you can still wipe macs without having the password as long as all the theft protection stuff isn’t enabled.


You seriously can't think of other ways? I can easily think of at least 10 other ways just of the top of my head.


Keep the private key with Apple. But also...

Sell an HSM (free when you buy a Mac > $2000? discounted in conjunction with AppleCare?) that will remove activation lock on the Mac it's purchased with.


So then how ARE we supposed to spend our lives on this planet and where is this defined?


I don't know, probably just not putting more children into this world.


Congratulations, you've reached a stage very few arrive at: everything social is arbitrary and you get to choose how you build your own meaningful set of arbitrary decisions.


Why do you need someone to tell you what to do?

You're going to college for a few reasons at the very minimum. Use those to guide you before you find something else later on.


Naomi said to the interviewer it was in regards to her previously publicising the Sogou software security vulnerabilities in 2019:

"Five days after Tencent (Shenzhen) admits to the IME vulnerability, the Chinese person (in Shenzhen) who originally publicized it suddenly gets dragged in by the cops and forced offline."

"NONE of them could read English to see my account does not even make China look bad, it was all Baidu fucking translate and demands why I was talking about Signal and the keyboard"


If it makes people nauseous like existing headsets, it's a non starter for the majority of people.


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