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Hopefully one of you will supersede von Neumann, in one mega Step


With a little luck I'll get ~3 decades more than JvN did, so I have a slim hope that schlep with chutzpah* can make up for lack of brilliance over time!

(that'd be ~8 startups/doctorate programs, so the goods are odd even if the odds are not good)

* to get SAK's long jumps in fitness space


Citation for SAK? (Im getting hints that the keyphrase is “Big Step (vs Small Step) semantics)

Case study here of phoneboothknifefight elevated to a streetside assassination attempt? Positively Getting holyroman here…

You may be familiar with the following characters :)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42135916

CH should be optimally hilly for the Odding in the next 3 decades :)

(More frank/brian herbert refs TK)


Should be somewhere in The Origins of Order (as if that narrows anything down!) — keep in mind that I may not even have the original vocab correct, just the basic idea that recombination keeps a population from getting stuck in local minima. (Combined in my head with bacterial taxis: tumble while you're in a food-rich environment, pick a direction if not, and keep straight while gradient is increasing)


BTW I'm innocent of Dune except for hearsay*; given the XXI vibe being what it is, maybe I should remedy that.

As with W40K, I guess I have a "gentleman's knowledge" of the Herbertiverse?

And on the optimal hills: at least we haven't been notified to clear out wine and skis and stock up yet — I was impressed by how efficiently my wife laid up 2 weeks' rations in the "cave" when the italian tourists first brought us Covid, and she asked, what, don't americans learn how to stock their shelter in elementary school too?


Any TP shortages in your locality 2020-2022?

Nothing deep required .

Just the general ecodoomer vibe, plus awareness of the intended message behind the Golden Path/the Weirding Way


Nope, no shortages with the possible exception of N95 masks, briefly:

a) we gave our army the task to procure PPE, as they are the sole national entity which is both in the habit of buying things for millions of people at once, and could negotiate a cash&carry discount in china by sending cargo planes and logistics people to pick them up.

b) a local company bought a chinese mask-making machine with some public support for the gamble; that turned out to have been an out-of-the-money option, but had we needed the capacity, I'm sure that equipment would have been even more thoroughly reverse-engineered than it had been by the time of installation.

c) in between all of this, a few too "enterprising" people were charged for buying up N95 stocks and attempting to scalp them online.

Oh, and there was also a bit of a shortage of morals, as a few people tried to take advantage of various public support programs for enterprises; as far as I can tell although money was helicoptered pretty quickly to where it was needed, the forensic accountants were only a year or two behind to ferret out those marginal cases when it had gone places where it had not actually been needed. (like with no-personnel stores, this is one of the times where a high trust society pays off)


The description of the Weirding Way reminded me of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74OBuMA2qEk#t=120s

(I was once watching the semifinals of the women's epée nat'l championships, and a former Olympian told me that "B always does the right thing, and that's why she won't win: A knows how to do the wrong thing at the right moment, and that's why she's a champion")

wrt to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42216196 : my impression of non-human violence is that they are better than we at avoiding violence when the power balance is clear; it's mostly with young animals or moments where the status quo threatens to have been merely a stasis quo that application of violence becomes necessary. (compare Cherryh, Foreigner)

Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic02W1bWeFU


That's why I make sure to keep the karma low (but the TP backup outrageous-- ok, pls reserve judgement before I've completely figured out the Miswak or equiv logistics). JK


Keeping the karma low is similar to the peaceful anabaptists' way of being able to up sticks at (nearly) a moment's notice: without contractual ties it's possible to deconflict from a safe distance.

Shorter Herbert? https://read.gov/aesop/048.html


Teach physics to geology enthusiasts so i can land a government contract involving fossils..

(I dont need those contracts, i just desire them. Which gov is interested in fossils? The right gov)


Upon snowcloning the Melian dialog to the context of Gwern(‘s interview)

   The foxes protect from dismissal using what they can hide and the lions suffer the misinterpretations that result from successful marketing


So what's your take on Gwern's 2030 estimate?

I've only been playing around with free LLMs and GANs for the moment, but they definitely seem to be more on the cargo culting stochastic parrot side, in that (for the former) I can make queries that self-contain all the elements for a sol'n and they don't find it, and (for the latter) they go into the weeds on what I'd think were simple, SHRLDU-level, compositions.

That said, I hadn't expected we'd even get this far so quickly, so ???


If you interpret (like i do) AGI as “median human level allweather selfdriving cars”, 2030 sounds a little optimistic even for that.

If AGI is IMO 6/6(/6) 2030 might be even less optimistic but the confidence interval for “Bethlehem*” is wider..

Weeds sounds like shlep without the chutzpah while your former sounds like chutzpah without the shlep?

For the optimum (i.e. “pinnacle”) shall we use the latinate term “panache”? (Or do you have something more victorian)

*the Shoggoth shlepping towards <= welleremembered ~Edwardian poem


Panache sounds good to me; in that case what would a Radler be? (or not-yet-fermented* new wine? Argies, I understand, even drink Calimochos, which sounds to me like something you'd have to grow up with to appreciate?)

* looks like this is nearly universal, eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapai


génépy-class, sometimes abortifacient?

(The rue-ing tends to be DIY in your locality)


aha, found the https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/i/151435243/transcript ; currently queued after vM but maybe I'll bump it to before?


Not to needlessly alleviate your suffering, but what is LTL?

Of course, these Nobel Bauble driven days, “quantum memories” sound like little more than search engine bawdlerised AdWords..


Linear Temporal Logic: https://www.cs.colostate.edu/~france/CS614/Slides/Ch5-Summar...

(for Xφ, I prefer to define it as relative to a given frame: φ holds the next time any of the frame variables change, which allows both continuous<->discrete translation and for Lamport's stuttering [to allow abstraction!])

Next up: GC via creation and annihilation operators? (in my algebraic view of informatics, one is often either structuring by cleaving two parts to make a whole, or destructuring by cleaving a whole into two parts)

EDIT: and by past-oriented I mean using "was ever" for "eventually" and in the past for "globally", as well as "since" for "until". rotate t by i^2. Eg

    dirty := F{edit} U ({save} ∨ {load})
says the local buffer differs from the cloud if there was ever an edit since a save or load.

EDIT 2: ...and I'm pretty sure I can autogenerate code that turns these kinds of def'ns into an imperative event-driven state machine; one can of course come up in theory with formulae that require an arbitrarily complex implementation, but I think in practice most def'ns (especially if we provide backpressure by signalling the complexity of the resulting imp) would be satisfied with simple ones.


Thanks for the ref!

Not sure when i’ll get there praying for a serendipitous intersection of cargoculting nonsssociativity and diagram spelunking (aided by your hints, half-remember’d)

Although… i confess to doing the trivial thing of drawing the “cayley graph” of {rock,paper,scissors} and observing that it looks like a loopfree 3-vertex term (1 outgoing)

https://en.wikipedia.com/wiki/Commutative_magma


Rock-paper-scissors also gives rise to scenes that are bad for naive sorting (for graphics or CAD), where you have three objects such that any two can be sorted in occlusion order, but not all three.

Can we triage our ikigai such that I (sympathising with my machinery) take all your overly-associative structures and you (communing with the universe?) take all my insufficiently-associative structures?

(there are many in maths: eg topologies, being families of sets, can be represented by a particular magma)

Lagniappe: https://www.georgehart.com/triad.html


Well ring me when you've a way of categorizing some of the nonrepresentable topologies, I do love any chance to juxtapose those ikigais

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42106477


Categorically, while different algebraic structures may not be isomorphic, they're likely all capable (under decoration) of carrying the same information.

For instance, in the Boom Hierarchy* (sets,bags,lists,trees) we can represent the information carried by any of the structures by any of the others (exercise!) despite the fact that operations on that information may be made easier or more difficult by the presence or lack of laws (idempotency,commutativity,associativity) that are the linear delta-edges between those types-as-vertices themselves.

[IIRC, magmas would be mobiles, and I'd bet we can extend the above to them as well.]

* I know I repeat these often, but hey, I'm not alone: gopher-the-language was inspired by a "go" lemma-function in someone's sol'n to samefringe.


How much work is "likely" doing..

I'd been at peace if you mentioned the triples, but it's too late now..


"likely" is not doing much work for the domain I was thinking of: structures which are suitable for making into collection data structures, in that their carrier sets are infinite because their ops don't lose information about the values (the hyle if not the morphe) given by their arguments.

Of course, absent those restrictions, it's doing way more work than it can possibly handle.


wasn't it our own Carl Sagan who suggested looking into \pi for alien messages (but/and he was perhaps under the influence)

But not the references inside apple boxen


Could be, although I could also imagine the BHA was intending that as a smoke test: if we were to find a putative alien message, we'd want to make sure the same procedure doesn't find other messages in the first N digits of \pi or related constants.

(shouldn't all messages be in \pi sooner or [much, much...] later?)

[does the def'n of "message" include finite length?]


I'd imagine, though, the KST-patched protocol would be to look at how the certain later digits of \pi vary "in realtime" based on where certain earlier digits (of \hbar) tell us to look.. that'd indicate sophisticated control of remote curvature :)

>Sagan's friend physicist Kip Thorne gave Sagan ideas on the nature of wormholes when Sagan was developing the outline of the novel.


In other words,

  “All preferences are subjective but some ikigais locally align (or at least have positive inner product*)”
?

In yet further words, Each of us would like to find our ikigai-trading neighbors so as to figure out the pareto-optimal way to move forward in cluster[-fuck]s [for that profane diversity-curious outsider take]

*i see that theHeisenberg uncertainty principle was codependency injected[0] into section 5[1] — a negative example of the very point?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Action#Summary

[1] 5 Causality as a requirement for human action


https://cdn.mises.org/Human%20Action_3.pdf

p139, under slight substitution (keeping in mind that Mises wrote in 1940)

> The accomplishment gratifies [the grad student] neither mediately nor immediately. It does not gratify him mediately because his fellow men at best are unconcerned about it, more often even greet it with taunts, sneers, and persecution. Many a [grad student] could have used his gifts to render his life agreeable and joyful*; he did not even consider such a possibility and chose the thorny path without hesitation. The [grad student] wants to accomplish what he considers his mission, even if he knows that he moves toward his own disaster.

see also footnote 23? (would Rao call Mises' geniuses Clueless or Losers?)

* it furthers the great man to enjoy the life of the sage?


I do respectfully interpret {pg,tlb,rtm} as preferring to become genius hunters that fail well to remaining grad students that succeed badly..

(Thanks for reminding me of the cases of Niedermeyer and Takesaki, more appropriate to remember as them grad students rather than geniuses?)

Albeit the more apt metaproblem would be the one of enabling these “grad students” to hunt “genius projects” in teams. not sure if YC itself was meant to be this kind of genius project— i cant tell if that project proved its salt by seducing the {OGs} with a barrage of noble, monastic yet fecund suffering… perhaps not, since they kinda moved on to comfortable spiessig lives (as have their successors, mostly)

::::

vM (good or bad faith?) sidestepped the “Rao Normalization” issue by citing only nonSTEM “geniuses”, YC embraced 2 rounds of “Rao Normalization”: “finding our ikigai by hiring G/GS to find what pple want”


Edit: Rao-Sturgeon Normalization

Lagniappe: https://archive.ph/G5nXO

Cultural revo for the old c. :=> wardriven emigration to the relatively hilly Eastcoast

>these prizes give me the willies … use… the money to help grad students

Echoes of JZY’s straight hook…

(Compare with the ineffective ennoblement of vM’s or Volodya illyich’s line)


https://www.geni.com/people/Mayer-Rachmiel-von-Mises-Edler/6... looks like a railroad Macher

(railroads were for my family what textiles were for my wife's; both techs were spiritual predecessors of inkering)

EDIT: helping grad students reminds me of the ending to Двенадцать стульев !

Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcGnYLVixeY (pastiche of « La Danse Apache » )

VIU? Am I missing something? I see an embalming but not an ennoblement?


En wiki claims (via Gorky) he was entitled to sign off as a statskiy sovetnik(‘s son)


> "After we had been married for years it occurred to me that he never puts salt on anything."

The fox doesn't quite manage to brush his tail over his tracks. What is the finest topology in which the "flunked over a hottie" stories form a convergent sequence?

EDIT: next up, BCB bio?


I am disappointed that tlb's middle name is not "Lookaside" but appreciate:

> Arbitrary decisions should be made randomly —TLB

see also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42159022

(does gwern know about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-discrepancy_sequence#Const... ? they seem unmentioned, as does φ in a circular space...)


(Yes. Low-discrepancy sequences are the WP link for "a special random number generator" in /unsort, and I considered that link to also cover quasi-Monte Carlo etc. I'm not immediately sure what you mean by "φ in a circular space" though.)


My bad, I'd just ^F'd with a purely syntactic search on a few terms.

If you can arrange your space from 0,..1 and identify 1 with 0 to make it circular, obviously (consider 1/3, 2/3, etc.) advancing by any amount in ℚ will fail to explore a lot of the space. The flip side of this is that φ, or 1/φ, are the least-ℚ-like regular things in ℝ: if we consider good approximations to be places in the continued fraction where there's a large entry, that never occurs. (their continued fraction representation is repeated 1's)

This comes up with "how do sunflowers know about φ?", the answer to which seems to be: they don't, they're just creating new seeds in the least-correlated place to all the existing seeds, and because of the property above, that tends to result in apparently-spiraling placements which can be fitted with fibonaccis or φs.

Does that make sense?


That makes sense. Sounds interesting - do you have a favored reference? Quickly looking, I did find https://gwern.net/doc/math/1974-mathai.pdf


Top of my deadtree stack is Chazelle, The Discrepancy Method (1998)

(Father of the regrettably more famous Chazelle, if you’re okay californicating rabbit holes)


Update:

Now that I've pushed BC back to the stack, here's a ref that might be worthier of the (nonnewtonian) process heap

https://archive.fo/4mlUU

(Pls use the usual Chinese bulk carrier resilient doi tricks as might be required)

Lagniappe:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...


That sounds like the perfect swith* for me as well — I'd already been meaning to hide some imperative O(n)s behind functional-seeming O(n log n)s, but if soft heaps have no huge constant involved, maybe no rabbits have to be hidden in hats?

* http://bitsnbobstones.watershipdown.org/lapine/unit12.html#:...


Heh, not that any of us would be willing to tolerate getting stuff back in corrupted order ;)

If the constant factors aren't intolerable, it seems like one really ought to be able to do something with the fact that corruption (galois connection connexion?) only happens in one direction (corruption monad as closure)...

Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yExwkQYcp0


I would, ipso facto(rio), in the hope that some of these corruptions, like Shakespeare's monkeys, would rephrase the muddled messages I get from the aether in something worth remembering for all time..


Maybe you could get a professor from the Academy of Projectors in Lagado to agree to advise, whereby you could get allocated some time on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Engine for your own research?

(thanks for reminding me of "Have not I the most reason to complain, when I see these very Yahoos carried by Houyhnhnms in a vehicle, as if they were brutes, and those the rational creatures?"!)


No favoured reference on my part, but Kragen's played around with this before, so he might have some ideas...


Its also worth placeholdering that PG’s role model is the aanglo neoEdwardian(?) (Bloomsbury) jMKeynes rather than the teutonic (neoVic) vonMises, considering the diverging hypernormal interpretations of their legacy.

(Compare with anglophile GCL?)

Refactoring KST’s (from Rainer?) “only 2 games worth playing, the opening game and the endgame”, i propose: “only 2 things worth doing: showing its possible or making it easy”


That's beautiful. It not only gives us a relatively objective measure of genius, but it also explain's my fencing teacher's opinion that the most beautiful move is "feint direct; direct":

   - the feint direct shows a touch is possible
   - the direct is the easiest possible touch
Of course, that almost never happens. RPF (like TAE) says that if you want to show it's possible, you have to schlep a lot beforehand discovering what's impossible ("you are in a maze of twisty passages, all alike"); Moore's Crossing the Chasm (1991) says that if you want to make it easy, you have to schlep a lot beforehand providing value to people who can make use of your stuff even before it's easy ("You are in a twisty maze of passageways, all different").

EDIT: Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1MlXmNSL7s#t=210s

> Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by fighting back —PH


>> Problems… —PH

With gratitude, i’d already riffen on this with “… [YC] proved its salt…

Riffing on the schlep of “talking to users” my current (more designori-oriented?) variant is “building a marketplace Elon style”


> marketplace Elon style

which would be? (should I comment out my Elon filter?)

Stylewise I'm far more familiar with the agoric stoa*: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

* in both its archeological and its modern incarnations


I had to have an LLM explain this to me what in the world this comment means, but I take it as a positive. Every day is a school day, and I'm glad I don't need to do two hours of background reading to decode this to my satisfaction.


Every ___ & their mother has a worldview…

I submit that what pple should focus in trading are ikigais… (although i suspect Pareto could have hidden a hint or two. — here , i have a set of locally pareto-optimal short term life goals, how to make a market?)

(Previously i had wanted to trade experts’ (meta)underwear, but that turned out more to be like the market for million-dollar abstract art which nobody has seen in person! The seller of ikigais, otoh, has almost certainly a glimpse at the very least — Citoyen, dissect his favorite joke!)

EDIT: do. Not. Trust a physicist who tells you that the calculation (or optics alignment) was fun. However. Trust a mathematician (or economist) who happily flips burgers to support their habit. Informatiker/logician: depends on how alexithymic they are, the correlation may surprise you :)

Update: eg Kip Thorne highlighted the joy of having detractors eat crow. Thankfully did not pass on the bag of having “his intuition shredded” or “trying his best to stay away from being bored” or some such inanity :)


Doesn't pareto-optimality require first agreeing on which cone be the positive one?

A market for million-dollar abstract art which it's possible[0] to see in person: https://www.artbasel.com (also suspected by artist friends to be a good way to reward questionable deeds with KYC-friendly[1] gains — pecunia non olet)

KST as a Bartle Killer[2]? That, more than "low stakes", might explain the apparent knife-fight-in-a-phone-booth nature of academic strife?

What is the physicist's equivalent of a favourite wheelbarrow? Best quick and dirty breadboard damping kludge? Honeycomb vs sheer mass?

[0] ok, I haven't been, but I was in town during it once, so I'm pretty confident it exists and is visible.

[1] let's not even mention the cash-onion that is the restaurant business.

[2] there is a theory that all the working dog breed behaviours can basically be explained by selecting for overexpression of a particular phase of prey drive and underexpression of the rest. I guess Nobel Prizes in Physics grew out of some small ur-mammal wanting to model its meals well enough to figure when it'd zig and when it'd zag, and overexpressing this to the point that humans attempt to model the whole damn universe?


It would appear that our cones align well enough to keep the intersection positive (the conversation semiprocrastinative)

I shant say that artbasel doesnt exist. Shall we align yet more finely to note that the various subtypes of the highest level “markets” serve to distort the market so as to stay (mildly) (dys)functional? A taxonomy of the various markets for lemons/_lemons is in order? Restnt biz is further enough off the manifold that i might not find it that interesting, convince me.

>honeycomb… sheer mass

It might be nice to expand on what senses of these words are alluded here.. “honeycombs“ are nice skeletons that (math)phykers found they cud feed into the vN (inker) blackbox & get out some interpretable Rorschach zombies. (Plausibly) Marketable Schlep to put off the potentially ikigai busting hard thinking ?

[2] coevolution? The mainstream, prodded by NPs, might evolve towards dropping the interpretability/identifiability reqs?

KST?


Judging by the fact that we've managed to converse* for over 1Q now, when the generic HN convo intersects at a point, or at most a thread, I'd say we're pretty well aligned (and maybe on a collision course? — maybe approaching vs receding is how one could distinguish alignment from anti-alignment?)

Restaurants shall have to wait for a lull; for now I just wonder if Shnur pays his hosting service or if they (spb tochka ru) pay him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w2ixHXhSDs

Rorschach zombie? ("I'm not stuck in here defending my thesis to you, you're in here offending my thesis to me!") I'd just meant alu honeycomb and sheer mass as in stiffness techniques for optical tables (tho it appears the resonances mean stiffness/mass matter, not stiffness per se, so granite isn't so good — but maybe granite honeycombs?)

Kip Stephen Thorne. interpretability/identifiability? (if it's the ML term set, you'll have to enlighten me) Recall BAWR: "The man who has fed the chicken every day throughout its life at last wrings its neck instead, showing that more refined views as to the uniformity of nature would have been useful to the chicken."

* insofar as both parties can only read the public part of the other's state, and can write only their own state, it'd be pretty difficult for an online convo to be anything but pareto-optimal, as it only proceeds when both parties are satisfied with its progress? [insert IETF and voluntary collegiality/near-unanimity here]


KST blackhole that he is, might be only approximating his inner state as Killer for better transmission.. recall that he was highly involved in Interstellar, had he been involved in Oppenheimer Bohr might have posed “can you smell the magic” to Oppie instead, dragging Nolan out of the unnecessary composer envy

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42147903

(— thus channelin the other McCarthy “pachyderms may or may not have to shutup”)


wish I hadn't missed Nagle's flagged comment (though I can get the drift); sounds like he (who's been thinking about AI much longer than some flaggers have been alive) went beyond C'Mell and Жестокость?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7xH9ZSp_B4?t=10s

(Compare with how Zeloof was positioning (his ikigai) to Jim Keller)

This guy, by bringing attention to his emo, sells to fellow phykers (with positive volume p-cone intersection)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42160940

merge traffick fore the window closeth?


> ...and at times pretty discouraging / That's a week's worth of work down the drain and I get to start over again

s/week's/months/ and one gets the fortitude which grad school signalled to PG during the 7-10 minutes of a YC interview?

phykers and inkers? "Vorsicht vor dem Imker. Die Bienen sind harmlos."


I realized the beekeeper quasidoggerel was perhaps inspired by a recent movie (2024) i hadnt heard about..

Though breaking taps violated the Thorne-Weiss rules of game playing, i appreciated the effective documentation of thymos

(Thus to him, were i a transmogrified VC would transfer sam zeloof’s genius points)


Sorry, I was trying to remember a Spruch from an Imkerwagen that I used to pass and cribbed that one off the 'net instead. (and got a laugh from my wife with "what goes mus, mus...")

Thorne-Weiss rules? (still have to read the Weiss art. so ignore if it's in there)


Iirc Thorne cribbed "only 2 games worth playing" from Rainer. It's not there, & a quick search doesn't turn up anything,...

BB sounds like a big corp hire equiv, but one can never be too sure...


Slightly ot or maybe not, the educational inflection point was deep in the mid of the Cultural Revolution, which suggests that mass rustications are indeed situations to look into..

(The mechanism is probably that STEMish rusticants began to selforganize learning centres)

COVID might have already started the process of Montanacation — elite diffusion to the hills —for the US (tho 2024 might actually reverse it)

For russians so far, the conscripts are so far drawn disprop from the lows; the tops prefer to emigrate/stay out of the country, so wait a bit.


> the conscripts are so far drawn disprop from the lows

Is it still true that bit-wranglers are exempt from conscription?

(in any event, one would hope that bitwrangling would pay well enough to provide anti-conscription cabbage?)

> the tops prefer to emigrate

Is that what Proshay elita![0] is about?

In the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_emigration#Controversy department, I was impressed that Urgant[1] preferred losing his show over retraction.

Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfhV0Sew0j4

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WQIW7aK5Bk

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njHNHbK9jDI#t=75s



Re: your question about the commutative in PC, and maybe “Harmonic analysis” #DiOs (Do-it-Ourselves)

(TIL, while trying to answer in my own words)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regularity_structure

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Re: ikigai & magic/yuurei & contraints

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faddeev–Popov_ghost#Footnotes

[hokusai said? But painted a few lone wranglers in 甲斐 province]

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Re: Leningrad MTV & Russians

1) Intentionally not hiring locals for NPC role, out of respect for hosts or irony? Drink is Hainanese coconut? Visually refined + verbally profane, such Pansclavonia!

2)nomenklatura/engineers, could keep their kids away from lows as far back as 1950s, or even earlier. Military still more effective diffusive optimizer in AG’s time? Or further back, the Minimes.

::::::: Edit

Proto response to econ rot

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42116704


I should pay more attention to the credits. There's a lot of soft-power country-checking in RU clips, eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps_Kqeo_tvU#t=180s , or the entire Masha i Medved series, in which it's pretty easy to guess who the panda, tiger, etc. refer to (although the "asiatic" black bear is a little indirect). At this point I've collected BR, IN, & CN refs, just missing ZA. (or maybe I've just missed it, because my Boer-fu is also nonexistent)

EDIT: and I have to give props to HONK FU! The hand-drawn motion blur is a nice touch; who has the time for that these days?


>Given the above signs of signaling, Caplan argues in ch. 5–6[1] that the selfish return to education is greater than the social return to education, suggesting that greater educational attainment creates a negative externality (p. 198[1]). In other words, status is zero-sum; skill is not (p. 229[1]).


Minimes as in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvUPGLwebAI ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Minims#Paulaner_brewe... )? I'd originally thought ca 1789 but found nothing

There ought to be a way to cross Gogol's Dead Souls with Pauli–Villars ghosts, but both my po*-russki-fu and my unitarity-fu are too weak.

(unitarity keeps things group-like; semigroups/monoids have an "arrow" in that they make irreversible transitions between J-classes; could it be easier to generalise to the latter than to add ghosts?)

* TIL the waste material from copra harvests gets sold for hydroponic use. Is the appearance of the 水耕龍 an auspicious portent for grow rooms?

EDIT: two important differences education-wise here: (a) kids can signal reasonable intelligence and high conscientiousness through vocational school (although a son of my former landlords started on this route, then swapped to the university track after encouragement by his coworkers), and (b) it's way more difficult to set up a degree mill, because kids have to test into becoming eligible for university and the resulting support.

(Upon reflection: I had a career advantage due to my sheepskin's branding being high intelligence, meh conscientiousness, and low conformity; somehow here I am at the other end of my career still faithfully signalling those same weights on HN)


EDIT: The Minims: i saw somewhere that Brienne was run by monks..

ive unfortunately (ego quoque!) degenerated to link/comment taiji for now,

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42134920

A way to resolve the elite defo conundrum by separating out the laptop class (but merging car dealers into the working class?)

>as a dean i was … sitting under … swords while being perceived as the sword…


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faddeev–Popov_ghost#Appearance...

are these triangles determinate, or is there a search process involved?

(maybe I ought to be looking for "ghost faces" that'd simplify my existing edge & vertex model of computation?)


Uh (first off) its the german sense of vertex, not the anglo sense lol

(Image Search for “3-gluon vertex” to get a language independent sense)

On (regrettably still halfass’d) reflection,there are necessary subtleties which your question is stalking but it will take me a few days or weeks to page in


Aha, I'm an idiot, sorry.

(but now I'm reminded —physics envy, mind you— of a "renormalisation" in regex engines. Recall the definition of A*:

    A* == ϵ | A | A*A*
Mathematically, it doesn't make any difference if A also matches epsilon. However, when generating code, if it does, it's very useful to treat the above as asking for:

    A* == ϵ ⨁ A† ⨁ (A*A*)†
where A† recognises only the nondegenerate, "squarefree", portion of A.

Otherwise one risks getting stuck recognising ϵ an infinite number of times (leaving squares in is harmless); anyway the presence of the ϵ means that during* recognition of A*, there is one incoming edge but two outgoing.)

* speaking in terms of left to right traversal, but we can also go right to left, which (by a folk theorem) means we can also calculate bottom up. I'll have to reflect upon what A* might produce, edgewise, in that last case.


Mutual envy hits the sweet spot imho.. to me the (median) Informatiker has superior naming/notation/training. Recall that bit with Moitra et al cutting the Gordian knot of thermalization vs entanglement. (That dude couldnt touch-type to save his bacon, pls forgive the (reverent) gossip)

Here: how far is this regex from non-associativity.

[& this connection is exactly what i was hoping for! I’d hoped the regular in regularity structs would trigger smth, & save us both weeks (of procrastination, in my case)]

Was i born decades earlier, i might have wandered into a VC “human capital destruction” job, since i have a roughly equivalent mix of traits..


> how far is this regex from non-associativity

The binary ops, sequencing and alternation are associative (monoidal).

The unary op, kleene star, blocks reassociation.

However, it is occasionally useful to use the associative-adjacent identity A;A* == A*;A (and more generally, A^n;A* == A*;A^n;A* == A*;A^n == ...)

A Chirurg, an Architekt, and an Informatiker are discussing whose profession has the most patina. The Chirurg points out that when God removed Adam's rib to form Eve, He was doing surgery. The Architekt points out that when God made Heaven and Earth out of the Chaos, He was doing architecture. The Informatiker just smiles broadly and then asks, "Und? where then think you the Chaos came from? a cereal Gimmick?"


What about a self-organised criticality mobile of threads and swords with smaller swords hanging from them by (beams and) threads; usually just the daggers are dropping on the poors, but every once in a while one of the top threads fails and entire polearms or scythes descend upon a populace?

Compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Fry_Richardson#:~:text=h...

(had Lenin been less confident in world revolution, could he have asked creditors to take a haircut on their Imperial Russian bonds?)

Lagniappe: https://gagosian.com/media/images/exhibitions/2009/alexander...


https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5529908z.texteImage

Mostly figured out the deal with the Leningrad (just noticed the logo animation..)

Shnurov runs a restaurant in Peterburg, “Cococo”, those are prob his employees, and the drink could well be his fave counterseasonal laptop class drink

(Who is his man in Hainan i wonder)

Update:

Lions for ZA?


Ah, I had the wrong clip.

Closest I found so far to that blue and white package was in Singapore, and the site kept trying to FOMO me: "Jessie Ni just bought ${PRODUCT}" etc.

Next thing you know, the websites will be wanting me to 讨价还价?

Then again, spout pouches are easy enough to get in your own livery, and filling stations run anywhere from USD 1'500 to USD 45'000 depending upon how many pouches you plan on filling per setup op. I'll have to see if Shnur has any CoCoCo house branded goods.

Or is it Matilda getting the Hainan goods? https://www.forbes.com/sites/annabel/2020/11/16/how-russian-...

> Shnurova had faced challenges before. She had studied biochemistry but [that was] incompatible with being half of one of Russia’s most glamorous couples. And so she ... became a restaurant entrepreneur.

I suppose this way Shnur will always have a place to play on weekends, even if his style is not so compatible with the CoCoCouture concept?

Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRlYp6IZsV4

PS. meanwhile, in past-orientation, Zhihu shows me ads for water from "ancient aquifers". Hard to argue with geologic patina!


the offerings at kokoko.spb.ru, how they triage the (upper mid to top) market!

1. Slavophile, past (god save the tsar!)

2. Laptop class, cosmopolitan future (tomorrow the universe!) Here be tropical dragons..

3. “Car dealer” class gastropub, present (dont worry abt that hangover)

In liberal democracies there tends to be no gap between 1,2,..(or 1,3) thank Bibendum??

I think i’ve a reasonably good handle on other-people’s-ikigai.. a shared meal or 2 can lead to some confidence intervals on their future returns — measured in ikigai!

Ikigai trading, otoh, a very delicate matter..

Edit: possible to trisect hn based on how adversarial the relationship to those who pay is ( no tops, but plenty of semiretirees in the uppest house)


> (The mechanism is probably that STEMish rusticants began to selforganize learning centres)

One would think widespread smartphones would help with this? Stuff that in my childhood was only available in university towns is now accessible to almost anyone with an aptitude and an interest...

EDIT: Did Pioneer Houses ever do STEM? "What you've learned, teach a buddy" was a nice slogan...


Right, the trichotomy in Venkatesh Rao’s The Office… was clearly influenced by Fussell (who was in turn inspired by Veblen)

GP indicates another trichotomy- past, future and present orientation..

>Now they hide, not merely from envy and revenge but from expose journalism much advanced in cunning and ferocity since Veblen's time, and from an even worse threat, virtually unknown to Veblen,foundational mendicancy, with its hordes of beggars in three-piece suits constantly badgering the well-to-do.

Update for XXI to take into account (YC vs) “fakers” & the finally selfaware 4th estate


One good FNORD way to hide is to convince the low the mid are somehow* "elite" and therefore no one need look past them to the high.

(the proles aren't any less status conscious than the outer party; what else could explain tracksuit chic and luxury brand revenue? "Gammas are stupid. They all wear green, and Delta children wear khaki. Oh no, I don't want to play with Delta children.")

Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPPpjU1UeAo (the video features a nice 20' day sailer, but is a little short on horses)

EDIT: * διαίρει και βασίλευε, known in our times as "let's you and him fight". The brits played this game well during their imperial period, but looking at the world map of frozen (and hot) conflicts, maybe they played it too well.


Convince the present oriented that the future oriented are past oriented?


to the middle class, higher education from a good institution provides skills that ought to prove useful in the future; to the working class, proof of higher education from a good institution is a gate which demonstrates how much free cash flow one's parents had in the past?

(I might assign the labels differently though: working class is future oriented [live in expectation of what you have coming]; upper class is past oriented [live on what you already have]; middle class is present oriented [performative in the now]. The first two are economic; the last social. bien-pensant/What would Mrs. Grundy think?)


When frustrated by this eternal verity, I remember the lesson of Gutei’s finger (a koan from Mumonkan)

https://thedewdrop.org/2018/12/28/guteis-finger/


My current take is that culture is just path-dependent[0] interpretations of pretty much the same situation [1]

[0]large mean time between scattering events, e.g. number and make-up of parties dont change very much since the last time the current system became barely-functional (we take on socio-technical debt before we have actual social tech??) as it is, 1789 was a bit too long ago for founder-mode, may halloween continue to console us!

[1]more tk. it seems mostly everyone is tripartite. Tripartism, has its own en.wikipage! But more research on YYA’s taxonomy is required of me.


If you take the interpretation —as I do— that 1984 was a bunch of fast-forward* around the message that Orwell wanted to write, then it also says:

a/ everyone is tripartite

b/ every now and then, mid and high circulate, often by appeal to the low

c/ as soon as the old mid becomes the new high, they forget their promises

which is completely in keeping with what he said in Animal Farm. (did he have a third book on the topic?)

{a: PIE, b: Veblen, c: Machiavelli}?

(I recently learned the chinese latin TLA "SPA" from a Zhihu question about the PRC equivalent of the low)

* not completely fast forward: one sentence of the last narrative explains why the Man even bothers to keep the low down: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40023059

EDIT: on Tripartism, yeah, a large part of our current "The Middle" party was previously known as Christian Democrats.


Re:cruelty/VPS/offering struggle

Not sure if the sage is allowed cruelty(=irreversibilty?<= deluging), more sure that the sage is forbidden from enjoying it (or even signalling its enjoyment, cf Not-Hillel)


That may be why a common definition of cruelty is being unnecessarily unpleasant: the Lords/Ladies of Instrumentality would say, it's not me, this just falls out of the Lagrangian, and yes it was horrible yet I was but the instrument. (compare the original words to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6m9SusjNYk )

The chinese note a tension between 霸 and 王 , do they also note one between 正 and 仁?

Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92WwPFDn_xM#t=90s


Hmm, no pro-logicians interested yet? Is it because logic is such a gradual domain.. would it move you beyond knowing just the name* to note that i’ve been involved with … experiments?? (Im a fan of <<Experimental Mathematics>> tho this is 2 steps removed, shall we call it “Experimental Logic”?) To whether its common or uncommon, depends on how deep you want to look, i guess!

*Check out DP-G and TSC’s 2020 update, where their Ham doesnt seem so contrived, and in fact, closer to, let’s say, the-country-that-shall-not-be-renamed. Are the chinese paying attention??!! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42039941

Citation on the tension? I suspect the tension isn’t between elite-driven and anarchism*. No time to hunt for a item i saw a while back here (its “everywhere”) observing that you cant see any of the supposedly cataclysmic events of the XX (& XIX?) on the emissions chart.. perhaps we should explore (cue tony blair’s victory song) the tension between inflation and deflation instead?

*https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42031606

[maybe Einstein saw Goedel as Spinoza reincarnate, pity he hadnt heard about MPB (or even RPF/AG]

PS hadnt seen the PC article, thanks! The content is very familiar.. however.


Hmm... can't find a source (by 1800 it's already trad.) for "he who causes two blades of grass to grow where one did before, is a greater benefactor to society, than {he who conquers kingdoms, all the politicians of a land, etc.}"

How long before we have Gravitational Engineers?

EDIT: as to pro-logician (in the proset sense) JYG is the closest I know of, and for him physics is more than one applicational layer away. (I find presenting boolean truth tables makes the foundational q's that bother him disappear for me. A gramme is better than a damn!)

EDIT2: [multivariate, wlog] calculus works because things have interiors and exteriors, so in the sense of highly leveraging containment/implication, that'd be an advanced application of logic? (compare CSP's existential graphs)

EDIT3: wow, looking at china vs india (esp. the crossing!), we can really see the power of:

  if your time horizon is...
    1 year    plant rice
    10 years  plant trees
    100 years educate people
I think I need to be less contemptuous of popularisation!


2020 update = https://doi.org/10.1103/PhysRevX.10.031038 ?

Will have to think of a good citation; I'd thought it a truth universally acknowledged that bureaucracy, customer interfaces, and other formal systems (正; 正名) cover all bases in theory but in practice the lasting ones tend to leave pragmatic, if implicit, escape hatches (仁; fac et excusa)?


Yes 2020.

Does <<the galois theory of algorithms>> throw any light on vNuC? (von Neumann universal constructors, aka(?) the orthographically suggestive “geon”)

P4: >…we have to construct a Hamiltonian whose ground-state energy is dependent on the outcome of a (quantum) computation. This is possible thanks to Feynman and Kitaev’s history state construction used ubiquitously throughout quantum complexity proofs

[Escape hatches of substance, steadfast in starstorms, abstracting into infinity…]


Defo. I should skim vN's book today, but a priori I'd say it's a mechanical instance of generators and structures; the more universal the universe of structures, the larger the class of generators. (and on the flip side, all members of the empty set are universal constructors, capable of making any other member)

To make a uC you need a quine and some generators; the galois connexion above ought to pick out the fixpoints/closed sets. (in particular, we're usually interested in cases where the latter are infinite but the former are finite — the XX continuation of angels* dancing on medieval pinheads)

Lagniappe: https://www.xkcd.com/974/

* I guess now we would say they expended a great deal of intellectual energy on attempting to discern if angels had 0, finite, or infinite measure?

EDIT: if you haven't already, consider that quinoids don't have to exactly self-reproduce, don't have to be quines: one can program "objects" that, upon receiving a message, reproduce themselves and all their response methods (essence) — but with a new state (accident).


https://archive.org/details/theoryofselfrepr00vonn_0/page/10... has a shout out (bottom of page) to one of my favourite papers: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_memorand...

Having missed its 64th anniversary, I guess I should plan to get a working implementation of my kleene algebra (quantale) in shape for its 75th?


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