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With all respect …. Do people care about self hosted for productivity apps?


More and more people are beginning to care because of data privacy. There’s even a group of people who cared from the beginning.

The rise of “privacy friendly” or “we don’t share your data” marketing messages IMO is a sign of growing desire towards privacy preserving methods of consuming software.


What about a startup with more than hundred contributors on a make-the-world-better mission and tight budget?


i would choose self hosted for almost everything is it was an option. privacy and security are only a small part of it for me. i like how reliable/efficient it is not having to worry about whether someone else's servers are working or not. or the same with the crap ton of infrastructure in between the server and my computer. or whether i have a good internet connection. i only buy data for my phone maybe once or twice a year as well so any apps on my phone that don't work offline are a no go for me


Was the instruction booklet there too?


Seems reasonable. Fairly standard clause I’d think.


Off topic but my favorite editor of all time was the DOS edit.

It was simple and straightforward with keys that made sense.


I've been a joe[0] user on Linux for nearly 30 years because it has similar keybindings to EDIT.COM (which they both owe, I believe, to Wordstar).

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe's_Own_Editor


Wordstar has very different keys to EDIT.COM, which was basically a tiny program to launch QBASIC.EXE with the /EDIT (or /EDITOR) parameter that disabled the BASIC bits. QBASIC's keys are the same as those used in Windows.


Micro is just about is good, with a CUA interface, though is lacking the menu and dialogs.

Also, freedos has a similar editor that has a few new features.


Djokovic should have joined the end of the queue in waiting for his case to be heard.

How completely fucked up that mega millionaires get their court case heard immediately over the weekend.


It offends me, as someone who has never succeeded building something people want.

I say that a touch light hearted but it’s kinda true.


Boom - all credibility lost - it’s just a scam, another CCP shill.

I actually watched this video the other day, and I remember this interviewee and I remember being surprised at how pro China the people of Taipei are.

Clearly Asian Boss has served its CCP masters well because I was convinced this was real and not fake CCP propaganda.


I remember watching it and thinking the opposite.

The article states that the guy was incredibly pro-KMT, which is about as anti-CCP as you can get. His perspective was interesting, but it is disappointing to find out he's a plant.


> pro-KMT, which is about as anti-CCP as you can get

This isn't a binary issue. Historically, the KMT was the main opposition to the CCP, but both of these factions claim control over the mainland of China.

The DPP (the greens) are both anti-CCP and anti-KMT, since the DPP is pro-independence; China is China, while Taiwan is Taiwan, and neither is a part of the other.



The KMT is not as anti-CCP as you can get, why do you say that?


I didn’t interpret what that guy said in the same way you did.


So why I wonder is this video coming up in our feeds?

Could it be because the CCP want westerners to hear the message of how people in Taiwan actually want to unify with China?

Yes I think so. The CCP know how to get things promoted on social media.


Maybe close cooperation with the deeply corrupt and unjust police makes you complicit in the outcomes.


Except in this particular case there appears to be a near-zero risk of anyone being "complicit" in bad police outcomes, given that it's opt-in, can only be used on a case-by-case basis, and it's the citizen who searches their own cam footage, voluntarily, and only in response to a specific police request about a specific case.

So, while at first glance at a headline, this might seem problematic, after reading the details, I'd probably be willing to participate. This can't really be abused to create any George Floyd-type situations.


Maybe that is what they believe, but I'm specifically asking samschooler since they are in a unique position to comment on it.


Maybe. And maybe homeownership is crossing the Rubicon in that respect.


I don’t understand the mindset of open source developers who dedicate significant time energy and life to free software, unless there’s a tangible, quantifiable advantage to doing so.

That advantage may well be indirect such as reputational or learning. I just don’t grasp why people do it for nothing, to the advantage of large companies.


Because it's fun ya mook. That's it. That's the reason.

It's fun to tinker. It's fun to put things out there into the ether. It's fun to exercise the brain and try new things and learn new ways to do things and publish things. The second it stops being fun, we stop.


I’ve realized the idea that the “Hacker” part of “Hacker News” is no longer here, and just a nod to some ancient, possibly apocryphal, past.

Discussions now are about how you shouldn’t run your own server, and you should use popular stuff so you can speed up development and get your startup going.

I mean, I know about ycombinator and all. But it doesn’t seem to truly encompass the hacker spirit, if you ask me.


Actually, in my experience, people that either run their own servers and/or encourage to do so are vastly overrepresented. Interesting self-hosted projects regularly make it to the front page, too. There are, of course, a lot of people and opinions on here, but the overall hacker spirit seems to be alive and well.


People always take the convenient route until it bites them in the ass.

Necessity is the mother of invention after all.


It's quite simple: there IS a "tangible, quantifiable advantage to doing so". The problem is that you imply "...to the person writing the code". That's where your confusion lies.

I am getting huge value from the people who built stuff before me. When I build stuff I can (hopefully) make the world better in the future. That's a "tangible, quantifiable advantage" to doing open source. It's just not an advantage to me personally. But lift your gaze an inch off the ground and you'll see we don't need to be ego centric sociopaths. We can build together. For the species. Everyone wins.


> But lift your gaze an inch off the ground and you'll see we don't need to be ego centric sociopaths. We can build together. For the species. Everyone wins.

I don't know in what fairy tale you live in but the ego-centric billionaire sociopaths that exploit this system wins.


> I don’t understand the mindset of open source developers who dedicate significant time energy and life to free software, unless there’s a tangible, quantifiable advantage to doing so.

They get: meaning, status, influence, connections, reputation, and opportunities

The free and open nature of their contribution makes it much easier to get all these benefits than they would with a paid and proprietary solution.


We probably are going into an age where giving away software for free will die.

And you know what? I support this kind of thinking.

I mean, if people can monetize videos on Youtube, shouldn't developers monetize their software too?


I was just recently starting a blog series and attempting to pair it with a YouTube channel for a new project. If you want to monetize a project, I'd assume that would be a way to do it.


I’m glad we got this good news. I would have been truly depressed if it had failed.


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