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Not just education... it affects how people make decisions throughout life. In other words it makes a person ill-prepared to deal with the stuff that happens in life.

Your kid is gonna do well in life.

Haha.

Im still waiting for someone to show me something that makes me go "Wow!".

Show me, dont tell me!


Youre not wrong.

Theres been a lot stuff going in the UK that goes back to high-school level stuff. Grade inflation etc.

Its a disaster.


What a ridiculous take lmao.

What are your contributions again?


And what exactly is ridiculous about it?

Reinforcement learning requires a well defined goal and a well defined way to quantitatively measure progress along that goal. In reality these don't exist without a hand of God guiding you. In the case of machine learning that hand of God is our own. Even given infinite processing power, you could not construct a reinforcement learning system that would mimic humanity's progress - it simply is a nonstarter due to the nature of reinforcement learning itself.

Conceptually, it's really not as hard as you make it seem. There are layers, but once you peel them away there's only one thing left, which all living things share: the drive to survive (maintain internal state parameters within a certain range by accessing nutrition, protection from environmental elements, security from other survival-seeking entities, reproduction to pass on genes, etc). No need to bring God/gods into it.

There's also no need to specifically mimic humanity's progress; that's just an accident of survival facilitated by opposable thumbs and language ability. We've already made machines with the base abilities, and emulated the drive (see evolutionary algorithms[0] for example). We just need to put it all together in a few units and let them "loose" to evolve on their own for a while. It took humans ~300,000 years to get where we are today; I'm positive that it'll take machines a small fraction of that. Nothing special.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_algorithm


Very little, certainly approximately 0%, of what humanity has done has been driven by base survival instincts. You're describing the process to mimic a roach, not a human.

You do work, don't you (or at least are in school)? Do you do it for sheer fun? Or to be able to afford things that allow you to survive?

Even those who do something like art "for fun" do it because it sates an internal need (not all actions need to make sense, because the inherent randomness of evolution is messy and leaves artifacts). Though also the desire to create some form of legacy can be considered a kind of survival: to be remembered by others beyond one's own lifespan.


Hey man is there a private space where thinkers like you hang? Would like to join :)

I wrote a similar post in this thread.


I don't know... but I'd rather mix in with the cultists. A dissenting opinion is important in their echo chamber if we're ever going to give sanity a chance.

The most likely explanation for "AI layoffs" is not that AI has caused a dramatic jump in productivity - its more that managers are running out of creativity in relation to revenue-generating and cost-reducing projects and henceforth have no use for the surplus of labour. Its much easier to maximize the stock price in the short-term by riding the 'AI' wave.

There seems to be some nonsensical belief that there exists this endless stream of positive NPV projects to take. No... reality is not like that.


That’s a strong point. I interpret that: Covid created needs that weren’t permanent and also caused overinvestment to address digitalization and remote life needs to support lockdown as well as predictions for a permanent change in the future. Either way a lot of the work to be done in software is done for a while.

"At this point I can only see self-discipline as a mechanism to willingly avoid AI"

Do you realise how difficult this actually is? Millions of people have zero self-discipline with their consumption of social media.


Yep! Which is exactly why I said implementing this at scale is TBD, I personally have no idea ;-)

One strategy I can think of is to remove the incentive to offload to AI, which probably means reducing the reliance on tests for evaluation. However, this also assumes intrinsic motivation within the students, which is also far from a given! Who's going to be motivated to do things the "hard way" when they don't even like the topic? Yet our curriculum is full of compulsory topics.

Like I said, none of our current systems are structured for this, and we'll probably have to figure things out from the ground up.


Its a disaster.

Remember this simple fact - if you dont use it, you lose it. The cognitive damage these tools will create wont be largely visible on a macro-scale for a few more years yet. But people are eventually going to realise, all this work (pre off-loading to LLMs) once geared the brain to work in a particular kind of way that results in the generation of ideas for inventions to yield innovations and so on...

Personally Im only strictly hiring people who have not been exposed to the LLM-virus / people who are extremely disciplined with their use about it (which is difficult to determine).


Shh stop speaking sense to blind technologists.

The road to mass adoption of autonomous vehicles probably wont happen in any poster's lifetime on this board. The reality is most people on here are quite narrow minded and can't 'understand' why it is not as easy as "hey I found a stat that shows Waymo is safer than humans!!11!".


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