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The point is tech savvy users can do all sorts of things like ublock origin, DNS, dumb TV etc

The majority of users in this world don't. So there will some people left out to suffer ads/tracking etc.


Maybe one can pay for Greencard/visa with PayPal?

Some sales/ad Manager will force app dev for money (that will happily take money - and write in hn after 5 years that he/she is so overwhelmed with guilt that they have to live with 6digit money on a beach now) and build UI that will trick user into enabling that for that crap app.

Manythings like network/Bluetooth/Display server stack are better optimised in android. Low power long battery life.

If similar to ChromeOS it is directly updated by Google then it will be a huge win for all computer users. No pain from OEM. I mean some Gemini crap from Google but that is tolerable.


> third issue is that it's Google. There's no telling when they'll pull the plug on this.

That is exactly the reason to use ChromeOS/flex.

The UI is well designed to use cloud as storage space. i.e no worries when anything folds including hardware failure.

I have not used Aurora but does it automatically do FDE? Does the user need to install chrome or Firefox? I have seen people saving passwords locally and not syncing. One fine day Xorg (or wayland gives up). Then one needs to go to users place and fix it. I did install flex on my parents machine in the other side of globe. It still works updates seamless.

I recommended ChromeOS (despite the pain of needed ublock origin ) mainly because users need to remember only one password. i.e Google 's password.

While I am a daily driver of Linux/Xubuntu, the UI from kde/gnome etc is not that friendly as ChromeOS (which mimics Android).

Not detecting printer is specific situation. This could also happen with many Linux distros.

Of course it is all IMHO.


Aurora does indeed use FDE (via LUKS). Firefox and other common applications are pre-installed (as Flatpaks) and get updated independently of the OS, without needing a reboot. There is an app store of sorts (called "Discover") which allows users to easily install/update apps - no sudo password needed - just like ChromeOS, minus the adware/spyware.

I got my folks to switch to Firefox decades ago (back in the IE 6 era), so they're comfortable with it and never had any issues with its password sync.

Wayland hasn't been a problem either. My folks don't use any fancy GPUs like nVidia (which seem to be the common cause of Linux display issues). And as I said, in case something does break, they can easily boot the previous to images right from the boot menu, no need to even press any secret keys or do a restore. My folks are also on the other side of the globe, so stability and support were my main considerations, and I liked the idea of being able to easily rollback to a previous update.

I agree with Gnome not being friendly, but don't include KDE with that - it uses the same, old-school desktop metaphor that old Windows versions used - which my folks were familiar with. Of course, this is a subjective thing, luckily my folks had no issues finding their way around. But it's not like they do any complicated computing stuff.

Yes the printer is a specific situation, but I mentioned it because I was surprised ChromeOS didn't detect it when Aurora had no issues. You'd think that ChromeOS, being based on Linux, would work fine as well... but clearly they're not alike.


Indeed it looks impressive. Thanks for the tip.

Would it be possible to run AI/ML on an existing jira/github large project (k9mail/KDE(gitlab) and show/prove this can be useful/better etc? Thanks


If you are suggesting OP do this to demonstrate that their assertion is correct - that AI generated issue titles are objectively better - this is a Good Idea.

I have to guess /hope that they did this already; who would make a time investment like this without first proving that the product has value? Anyway I certainly wouldn’t even pilot it without some proof.


That’s a fun idea. I’ll have to see if I can run it on our Jira and Confluence instances to get better (or even minimal) ticket descriptions from the requirements.


You absolutely can if you add the context from correlations to Product and CX, brand tone and other bits of RAG.

You can study it all by graphing text extracts with NetworkX before you pay for an off-the-shelf LLM to provide a false sense of confidence.

The exercise will help you build the prompt regardless of what tech you use.


We haven't yet modularized the AI features of our product. Currently, it's not possible to use the AI features on top of JIRA/GitLab. Our AI capabilities have achieved better accuracy and output because we have more control over the infrastructure and the product's foundations.

Additionally, incorporating agents and managing their workflows require a distinct set of metadata and separate workflows, which we are still in the process of exploring.


Since one can self-host Tegon, do you have some importers working? That way I could import some Jira issues and see it in action on our own data.

If you have an API to manage issues, that could work as well. Would need that anyway for custom build integration etc.


We are in the process of building those scripts. As we are working with companies for migration we started to improve these scripts to cover more edge cases. These should be out sometime soon.

Otherwise, we have a public API to do CRUD operations for all important entities (issues, labels etc). We are working to get an openAPI spec once that is out we should have all the APIs added to our https://docs.tegon.ai


Sounds great, will keep an eye out.


Can you give me an idea of what you are using AI for currently?

Edit: Never mind, found the list you posted elsewhere.


Current AI functionalities: 1. AI-generated Titles 2. Smart Delegation 3. Duplicate Detection 4. AI Summarization 5. AI filtering 6. Automated Triaging

We are almost done working in 2 other areas 1. AI assistant while create a new issue ensuring the issue has enough information 2. Chat assistant to interact with the tool


Haha, same one. Thanks!


Probably not, from my experience. Certainly not for large installations. There's just too much to glean from a 20 year old Jira (Components, Comments, Issue History, Transitions, Links..) You can build a graph database from all of this (plus the metadata and other contextual stuff, like related code) which is what Atlassian did with their "Teamwork Graph".

Someone else's mystery machine is fine for a start, but if you want to train and test (and validate) your assumptions or do your own experiments, these AI features don't offer much.


This is a bit of an extreme ask, that's basically an entire product in its own right.


All the data is there, you just need to connect to it with a new class of BI tool. It's coming.


That's missing the point. The root comment is asking for a different product (one that integrates with Jira) than the one offered by the op (one that replaces Jira). The manner in which such a product would exist isn't the concern of my argument.


That's not how I read it, but I don't see any case where offloading the entirety of IP in Jira to a third party makes any sense.


I am curious, why would you like to do this?


bookmark your comment and comeback a year or two later. Nothing is implied. Wait.


I dont think they are the target market. E.g. Some people will never buy computers but only assemble them; some will only run freeBSD or linux. For vast majority - just open and use the computer.


May be you should open a company hire some of these IT workers and then post the results. (not sarcasm but genuinely to prove)


Always see the main folder Android inside /storage/emulated/0

Apps like Instagram or WhatsApp or even Podcast apps DUMP everything there. Many dont clear even if one uninstalls.


Each app also has its own private storage space as well at /data/data/<package name>/ which the end user cannot access even through adb. It's owned by the Unix user representing that app and has 700 perms so the `shell` user can't access it. While you can't access the directory directly, you can clear it in Settings -> Apps -> <app> -> Storage.


aka /sdcard on most phones


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