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It's not even hallucinating it's just correctly summarizing the wrong thing.

Also we're only talking about a handful of examples out of billions of queries, that doesn't stop the usual media hyperventilating though.


It only takes a reply to a handful of queries to get a handful of people actually hurt by telling them to do something dangerous.

The average person doesn't necessarily have the media and AI literacy to know not to trust papa google's answer at the top of the result page.


Despite some evidence to the contrary I believe most people aren't that stupid and the "average person" isn't actually typing in these queries, these are marginal cases played out for meme value.

It highlights the underlying problem, which is that Google has built up trust over 20 years that they will return the best results from the web. Now they undermine that trust by shoving AI results at the top and calling it answers.

It doesn't take much imagination the think of non-meme questions that will propogate wrong information.

"Fake info from trusted sources" isn't a hypothetical issue. When they changed the law that required TV news to be factual we quickly headed down the path of Fox News and MSNBC. They are so effective precisely because Boomers grew up fully trusting news sources.

You can argue that it is not a problem and that people know the difference, but we have plenty of real-life proof to the contrary.


More consequential queries probably have better safeguards, this hullabaloo is about long tail nonsense that doesn't matter, they're kinks to be ironed out.

Underwhelming so far, everything is disjointed and is months away from being available via labs.


I thought Gemini 1.5 Pro is available immediately, and the Workspace stuff is coming in 1 month.

Fair point if you are talking about the video understanding stuff, I don't know when that's coming.


It's just missing the wow factor, they can still turn it around if the rumors about the new pixie assistant are true but so far yesterday's preemptive OpenAI event seems like it was unnecessary.


And what's the commercial application of all this stressed syllable data?


The obvious application would be better tricking John Connor on the phone :)

https://youtu.be/MT_u9Rurrqg?si=xCEHZhDyGxucmXtW


Cross-device tracking


But you're already logged in, and if you're not well that defeats the purpose.


Targeted ads like the other guy said, and I also want to say specifically that that is useful to Google both for users who are signed out, and users who have separate personal accounts on their different devices, and also useful because they can figure out the same person using a device and account issued from their work and using a personal account on their personal device is the same person.

For example at my job we have a work-issued Google account that I use on the work laptop for their Gmail and Google Calendar. And on my phone I am signed in to Google with my personal account because I use YouTube on my phone.


This seems farfetched, I mean if you're teaching non English speakers to enunciate correctly then their speech patterns are changing over time and you're left chasing a moving target. There are probably better ways to target ads.


Targeted ads


You still have to verify plausible sounding LLM output somewhere.


And Google is doing a worse and worse job of performing that role or any other.

There are other search engines and almost all of them are orders of magnitude better than google is now.


Saying other search engines are orders of magnitude better is the funniest thing I’ve read all week.


Citations needed there buddy


No, not really.

The decline of Google's search performance is on the front page of HN at least once a week. It's common knowledge at this point.

Try Kagi if you want to be reminded of what good search is like.


On what metrics of search quality is Kagi "orders of magnitude" better than Google?


It is probably massively better for niche technical searches which many technical people here do for their job, that is the Kagis userbase after all.

But such searches doesn't generate much ad revenue, so it doesn't do much to Google to lose them, all the people searching for articles about makeup or clothes or games or other things that has strong advertisement potential Google is awesome as a search engine, I haven't seen anyone say Kagi is better there. Kagi is only better for the searches that Google doesn't care about since they generate so little ad revue, Google uses so much compute per search that I'm not even sure such technical searches would be profitable for them to run, likely that would increase profits to lose them to Kagi.


That is something that you can only decide for yourself.


- You should try this steak, it's delicious!

- You can't prove that! I'm not trying the steak until you have evidence that it's delicious!

The typical HN downvoter invited (once) to eat at a restaurant...


It's not like they can make any major acquisitions in this political environment.


Private equity firms are buying up local news outfits then lobby to force google/fb to pay up. It's an extortion racket which news outlets refuse to cover for some reason.


They do that every now and then but eventually they come crawling back


Yeah, because of lobbying.


Or corruption, as it's called when it happens in a less developed country: https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/25/22995144/microsoft-foreig...


You're 100% right.



All LLMs are inherently untrustworthy, they can be great to get the ball rolling so to speak but you have to double check everything they generate which is its own kind of overhead.


You'd think they're evil too if they let a bunch of middlemen and parasitic companies dictate how the software you invested untold sums and hours developing and marketing should work.


Why should software be any different from aircraft?


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