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A friend's 3 year old absolutely opened the door last year while we were driving. Luckily she was strapped in her car seat, but otherwise could've easily fallen out.

Right, aren't the old style flap type handlers aerodynamic enough? It doesn't have the handle sticking out.

They are probably planning on converging the two platforms together soon. There are rumors of new macbooks having touch screens. You can imagine that with the Tahoe interface getting additional padding and looking more like iPadOS it's already planned that the future of computing will be hybrid devices.

I don't know how to feel about that. To me it sounds like an awful direction for the desktop experience on macOS, but on the other hand iPads are currently held back by iPadOS

To be fair, a touchscreen is the one thing I miss moving from my thinkpad to my apple silicon macbook.

Everyone will have different opinions on the matter. My Lenovo has a touch screen, but I hardly ever use it because I forget that it is there. Likewise, it is Wacom compatible and I was as far as picking up the stylus for it. Hardly ever use it. For the most part, I prefer to interact with computers via keyboard.

Different people like interacting with computers in different ways, unfortunately, this one size fits all philosophy that permeates the tech sector creates a lot of tension because those ways of interacting are not necessarily compatible with each other.


> Different people like interacting with computers in different ways, unfortunately, this one size fits all philosophy that permeates the tech sector creates a lot of tension because those ways of interacting are not necessarily compatible with each other.

A touchscreen doesn't detract if you don't use it though. I use my laptop's touchscreen/stylus pretty much exclusively for Japanese writing practice, the rest of the time it's just a regular laptop, but I'd be very sad to not have that feature when I need it.


This would normally be the case but many touchscreen drivers love to glitch out (specially lenovo's) and disabling them is almost impossible with windows updates constantly re-enabling things.

If not for that I would 100% agree it is a nice to have.


I don't know if it has been improved but I had one xps with touch screen, the lid was thicker, the screen had more glare, it was using more battery and there was a visible gray mesh, like a veil covering it if you looked close enough. One other possible annoyance is accidental touches, no chance of that if the screen doesn't have touch capability.

I have an x86 tablet and the screen seems normal although touch

For me, it just feels like a huge waste of money for something I would never use; I assume the touch screen tech bumps the price up a bit. Of course, if you have even an occasional use for touchscreen on a laptop, your mileage is already varying.

>A touchscreen doesn't detract if you don't use it though.

in a perfect world. in the real world it's an added cost-to-repair, another driver stack to worry about, and a loss of nits/lumens for no good reason.


Are you the type to be bothered by fingerprints on screens? I am that type, I have great reservations about a touchscreen laptop. Though, I cannot deny how awesome it would be, conceptually.

I think there are finger sleeves that you can put on to avoid that.

A random example from Amazon (never tried it myself):

https://www.amazon.com/PXIRQ-Sleeves-Touchscreen-Sensitive-B...


At one time there was a fork called Glimpse which basically had some minor UI improvements and a sane name.

> Music app has been massively updated and redesigned.

How is this good design? I have to precisely hover over the puny slider and then it blurs everything? There is enough space to show proper controls for playback. And why are the controls at the bottom.

https://imgur.com/a/vdBeG8g


That doesn't take away from the fact it had a major update and redesign. There are definitely still issues but it seems much snappier than the previous iteration where it felt like using embedded web views. Pins are great too.

It feels like change for the sake of change, I didn't notice any improvements for my use case.

But it's bad, because the new rounded style with floating buttons doesn't match the traditional UI toolkit and it shows. They've messed up the whole layout where windows have a title bar and then a sidebar, etc. Now the side rail is on top, and all the toolbar buttons float, but you're still supposed to know you can drag on the title bar, but there are no visual signifiers (affordances). It's harder to visually parse the mess, there is no visual hierarchy and everything is floating and has a drop shadow now. And then there is the double border on the left side, where for some reason the sider rail also needs to be floating, which just takes up more space. And it's just for visuals, some apps show content under it (like the wallpaper), while finder for example doesn't, so it's really inconsistent and means nothing.

I took screen shots of a few inconsistencies that bother me, things getting cut off or looking visually messy. The most egregious is the music app showing a dinky progress bar that's almost impossible to mouse over and when you do it blurs everything so you don't see the song name. There was real estate for that whole currently playing section to be bigger so you can start dragging that slider immediately without hovering over it first.

https://imgur.com/a/1PsFAQi

and a few more I forgot

https://imgur.com/a/1CWFqRP


Ok, the clipping of the end of the scroll bar is really terrible.

Based on my framework 13 and macbook m1, I think the only downgrade are the speakers and the trackpad. The keyboard is actually an upgrade, the 2.8k screen has a better size ratio but the contrast is not as good, I'd say it's decent. The trackpad performs well but it's the old hinged design and not haptic. Being able to service my own laptop, replace parts and max out the storage for less money than a mid-spec macbook is just unbelievable.

I wonder if providing a unibody aluminium "premium" option might help Framework capture the "build-quality" crowd. That combined with the improved keyboard may turn out to be a compelling offering. I think the main remaining challenge will be the display and trackpad.

I remember seeing my work colleague drag the applications folder to the dock for quick access, this was before the modern launchpad, and before I even started using macs.

I don't think so, apple supposedly cares about aesthetics and design. If I didn't care about little details I would use windows. Like Steve Jobs said, it comes down to taste. Why would I use a flawed unpolished product, it doesn't reassure me that the technical side was even done well.

This UI refresh seems better than Jony Ive’s attempt. The first version he was in control of was probably the worst UI they’ve had. Poor contrast, ultra-thin fonts, strange color pallet, and the buttons were gone. Need a back button, here: <. Liquid Glass seems much better than that, and they will continue to refine it, just like they did Ive’s design.

I had the same issue on first start, the icons had to load while I was scrolling.

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