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Perhaps that is a clue!

When I started my career 20 years ago, I thought "they" would figure out how to get a computer to do my job pretty soon. Coders are expensive after all. And I figured I'd just go walk into the woods or something after that; I had no plan for what to do. This is the only thing I'm good at and can make money doing.

Well, it's been 20 years and it hasn't happened yet. Perhaps this will be the year! But not yet.


I come here for the tech news, but also the assmad potshots you guys always take at JS. Never change, HN.


If legitimate complaints about your faveLanguage hurts your feelings, then how do you survive code reviews?


Not OP, and not my favorite language, but I don’t see how “Apple ships large amount of RAM in expensive workstation” is a legitimate complaint about any language. It isn’t even in the same universe of topics. Completely off-topic JS (and Rust!) drama permeating every single discussion isn’t something that happens in code review. It’s very much an expression of the HN community and its culture. And it’s really tiresome, especially when there are both better complaints and better topical venues for these languages and more.


Everyone knows that an Electron app consumes a lot of RAM. Take Slack for example. Running slack in a tab in a browser uses less RAM than running the Electron app for Slack.

The joke being that Apple realized that so many apps are built in Electron and made a decision to provide a shit ton of RAM to just to handle Electron. It seems very on point to the discussion


A joke whose punchline can be and frequently is retrofitted to any setup… isn’t a particularly funny joke.


A joke is not deemed funny by everyone that hears it. Those that do enjoy it.

At this point, it's more satirical than haha funny. Electron is so bloated that it requires way more RAM than say native apps. To poke fun of its inefficiencies isn't going to win Last Comic Standing, but it is valid criticism even if attempted to be told in a humorous manner. Just because it's stuck in your craw doesn't mean the rest of us are in the same place as you, yet you are unwilling to accept that your view isn't the only view.


It’s not stuck in my craw. It permeates damn near every discussion no matter how remote the connection. It detracts from actual discussion of the actual topic in the process.

I actually almost totally agree with the perspective the “joke” comes from! I just don’t see it as a topic that warrants so frequently disrupting otherwise interesting discussion.


What is the "emoji hidden message" meant to be testing? This went around about a couple of weeks ago and it's an interesting bug/vuln, I suppose, but why do we care if an LLM catches it?


IMO, it's just an interesting feature to test. If you are interested in prompt injection this is surely one way to do it, and given how famous the first iteration was, it makes sense to test it and see if they are also vulnerable to that.


Just get rid of side effects, man! (Turns out side effects are the whole reason we write code, whoops)


I agree the criticism is poor; it’s often very lazy. There are currently a lot of dog-brain “wrap a LLM around it” products, which are worthy of scorn. Much of the lazy criticism is pointing at such products and therefore writing off the whole endeavor.

But that doesn’t necessarily reflect the potential of the underlying technology, which is developing rapidly. Websites were goofy and pointless until Amazon came around (or Yahoo or whatever you prefer).

I guess potential isn’t very exciting or interesting on its own.


This is HN. The canonical example for that is pg's Viaweb.


Don’t start blaming JS people for this AI mess! We’re busy making webpages slow.


And draining battery with electron apps , our work is important driver of new laptop sales and boosts the economy


Oh. Who ran it before?


From people who never ever used power to benefit themselves or their families. :D


Hell yeah!! Dizzy K and William Onyeabor are big favorites of mine.


I would also recommend the "Radiooooo" website/app. You pick a country and a decade, and it plays songs. Great way to discover new old music.


What an awesome app! It even uses the correct names for countries across the decades


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