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I’m still using it for watching movies on flights, pretty decent at that. Best in flight entertainment I have ever experienced.

I tried to use it for work too and that did not work out, for me the text was too fuzzy and it became frustrating. Reddit forum made me think I was nuts but recently has been shown to be deliberate to reduce screen door effect.


My 8 yr old identical twin daughter’s have severe autism but one is definitely worse than the other, one of them can use some words but the other is completely unable to communicate.

I have absolutely no explanation for this, I cannot think of anything different that happened to them. They didn’t have antibiotics or surgery at a young age like in this story either.


There's genetics, but then there's gene expression which is affected by the world, so they clearly grew differently.


Thank you this is helpful. The genetic part makes sense to me, my wife has PCOS and they have a history of ovarian problems in their family. There are studies linking PCOS and autism and to high levels of testosterone.

The mystery to me was why they are so different.


Yep, for decades thought genes were everything, then we started to realize epigenetics and proteomics are even more important. DNA is the code, and as we all know code can run differently in different environments.


Those studies were designed to confirm Professor Sir Simon Baron-Cohen's "extreme male brain" theory (which, by the way, is a crock of shit). High androgen levels and high oestrogen levels are associated with autism (ref: https://doi.org/10.1038/s41380-019-0454-9) and there's no reason to believe the arrow of causality points in any particular direction.

I recommend you not focus overmuch on why your kids are autistic. (The most likely reason is that one or both of the biological parents are autistic.) Disabilities are contextual, and autism can be a significant disability if you want to "live a normal life", so the best approach is not to impose arbitrary constraints and unrealistic expectations on them. (And really, who wants to keep up with the Joneses, anyway? https://xkcd.com/308/)

If you're interested in the topic generally, by all means learn about it, but none of this will help your daughters. There's no way to "cure" autism, because there's nothing to cure: it's just a way to describe a way that some people are. (Though some associated conditions, such as difficulty focusing can be treated with medication (I'd recommend not putting kids on ADHD drugs, because it's hard to distinguish between a genuine problem with cognition and mere excitable boredom from the outside.), others (e.g. hypermobility, coordination issues) can be mitigated with physiotherapy, and yet others (e.g. social anxiety, miscalibrated hunger / thirst detectors) can be alleviated with explanation, strategies, and practice.)

A good part of the differences in "severity" of their "autism symptoms" will be the extent to which they grok the things in question. For example, if you're not interested in verbal communication, you're not going to study it intensely to pick up on how other people instinctively behave, so you won't learn to imitate it. No amount of wanting what verbal communication can get you will give you the intrinsic motivation you need for (years of) extended, generalisable study – at least, not unless you happen to be good at long-chain motivation. If, however, there's a fun game you like, and playing that game involves developing proficiency in the (inherently boring) skill… well, there's a reason so many kids learn English by playing competitive video games.


Would it be ok to ask how you're knowledgeable about this?

We have a four year old (almost five), who we think exhibits many of the traits associated with autism and/or ADHD. Since day 0 of his life, he has been "difficult". He could not breast feed. He screamed more than other babies. Loud sounds, any cold sensations, etc all bothered him extremely. We couldn't really live a normal life because he cried so much, all the time, everywhere. He still can't walk on cold floors barefoot. He is extremely emotional and volatile. The slightest thing that doesn't go according to plan will result in a hyper-ventillating breakdown. He is angry all the time. He has an obsessive need for answers and will not accept "we don't know". He has poor gross and micro motor skills. He can't ride a bike and we struggle to help him learn because if he does not get something immediately, then the extreme anger and breakdown occurs. His writing is poor.

However, on the other side, he can be exceptionally caring. He loves his close and extended family. He loves sitting on laps, chatting away. He can communicate well, no issues talking. In fact, he never shuts up and will always be wanting to communicate about something. This actually causes problems because he cannot help interrupting and cannot wait. He sleeps very well, far more easily than average.

So it is difficult for us. We're trying to get him seen and potentially diagnosed, so that we can hopefully learn strategies to help him live a happier life. But because he isn't "typically and obviously autistic" we're not getting a lot of traction to even get him seen.

(This is just a rough summary, there are more behaviours we're concerned about)


munksbeer, please have your child evaluated by a developmental pediatrician. It will take a number of visits and if you are in the U.S. and it will most likely not be covered by insurance, but it is vital in helping you get the support your child may need. I am autistic and so is my child, growing up was hard for me and it is hard for my child, but we are able to provide them with a lot more understanding and affordances to make their life better.


We're in the UK, and we're trying. There is a lot of information around, and books written, on how to manage the process here in the UK, but the reality is that it takes a lot of time and constant pushing to eventually succeed in having your child evaluated. We're on the path though, thanks.

Updated: We have been fobbed off a few times already, so we're pursuing avenues with letters from his school and so forth. We are the parents and we know that he is not a typical four year old. We've known something was atypical since his first year. But he doesn't fit the stereotypical definition of what many people associate autism with, so we're worried he is going to fall through the cracks in the system.


In the UK, I got some support for this sort of problem. AFAIK my parents got a private diagnosis and then used that and letters from the doctor to build a case with the local authority. Local authorities are resistant to agreeing to anything because budgets are tight. I remember getting physiotherapy. This was 20+ years ago and the system may have changed


> Would it be ok to ask how you're knowledgeable about this?

When I was around 6, I resolved not to become one of those rubbish adults who doesn't know anything but thinks they do: since then, I've been paying attention. Apparently, most people don't know how to do that. (Having direct experience to pay attention to probably helps as well.)

I used to use myself as a baseline for my observations, rather than the less-variable "reference adult" I now use, so my understanding of children younger than 7 is not as good as I'd like.

> so that we can hopefully learn strategies to help him live a happier life.

There's no need to wait for a diagnosis for this: this stuff is well-documented online, and none of it is that hard, even if some allistics find it unintuitive. Don't get too attached to the idea that your kid is autistic, though: use what helps and discard what doesn't, because you never know. (Do not subject your kid to ABA, and never do anything that funnels money to fake, anti-charities like Autism Speaks,[8–10] but apart from that, go wild.)

I've provided some suggestions, in case you find that useful.

> Loud sounds, any cold sensations, etc all bothered him extremely. […] He still can't walk on cold floors barefoot.

Don't try to force him into uncomfortable sensory environments. Sensory issues can manifest as mere unpleasantness, or as actual pain, so either it'd just be torturing him, or it'd train the instinct to avoid unpleasant stimuli out of him: neither of these are good outcomes. (The latter can be really hard to deal with, later in life: for example, on out-of-routine days, I still have issues connecting "my hunger pains are starting to interfere with fluid movement" and "maybe I should have breakfast then, since it is 8pm".)

If he's getting better at dealing with barriers that prevent him from doing things he wants to do (e.g. deciding to tolerate the screaming of other children in order to play on the bouncy castle, stopping once the trade-off is no longer worth it), great! Keep doing whatever's helping him develop that skill. But if he's getting better at "dealing with" uncomfortable environments by internalising that his comfort is less important than other people's convenience, that's not so great – and it's something that loving parents can easily encourage by accident. I'm not sure how to distinguish between the two, but talking might help; and, as a parent, you can make sure you're not putting him in bad situations when you can help it. (I'd love to say "never", but parenting in an imperfect world involves trade-offs like "we have to wait quietly within the hospital" or "the school run goes past that shop with a Mosquito alarm that the owner won't turn off".)

If he gets as much practice with language as your description suggests, it might be good to start talking these issues through. Ask what sorts of things upset him, and what to do about them. The focus should be on learning how to describe and talk about issues, and finding accommodations that might mitigate the issues.

In-the-moment, you can ask what's wrong, find a possible mitigation (e.g. stepping outside for a bit), and ask if he wants to do that. In-the-moment, he might be too overwhelmed for that: see [0].

> He is extremely emotional and volatile. […] He is angry all the time. […] if he does not get something immediately, then the extreme anger and breakdown occurs.

Are you sure it's anger, and not a meltdown due to overwhelm? See [0]. Assuming it is anger:

There are some simplistic things you can do to deal with anger,[1] but this advice is a muddled combination of various factors. I mean, that advice works, I'm not knocking it, and it's as good a place to start as any, but you'll want to progress towards him noticing when he's getting angry, understanding why, and channelling the emotion in more fruitful directions.

Many autistic people struggle with understanding emotions, both others' and their own,[2] so talking through some algorithms to identify and respond to various internal mental states might be useful. For anger, talking about the reasons for the anger, then possible ways to resolve those situations (if actionable) or do something to calm down (if unactionable) or both (if actionable, but too upset to take the action just now), and setting simple rules like "we don't hit people / make loud noises when we're angry" ("loud noises" because shouting in anger is intimidating and can scare people: don't give any arbitrary orders about what is/isn't acceptable self-expression) can help. For frustration (i.e., when you want something to happen and it's not happening), asking about what's frustrating, commiserating, and suggesting a less frustrating thing to focus on instead, can help.

For the bike example… well, it depends on the kid, but I'd try explaining that riding a bike can take years to learn, because it's doing a lot of different things at once (balancing, pedalling, steering, going fast, looking out for obstacles), and suggesting to practice one of those individually (e.g. practising balance by trying to keep both feet off the ground for a few seconds while kicking forwards without the pedals – going as fast as possible helps), and that there are lots of ways to play with a bike, and he'll learn to ride it eventually. (He will learn to ride a bike, if he keeps at it, regardless of how bad his coordination issues. Perhaps not well enough to ride alongside road traffic, but if you can learn to walk, you can learn to cycle.)

Since he can write, he presumably reads. Perhaps he could read some books about this: Focusing by Eugene Gendlin[3] is a good one, though perhaps not that good for a 4-year-old. (You can stop worrying about this kind of age-appropriateness by age 10, though make sure at least one of his books is a big dictionary.) It's important to provide a wide variety of techniques and paradigms: no psychological models are correct, but some are useful.

Other people have provided some age-appropriate advice[4], and while it looks broadly like the right thing, I have some caveats to add. Keep in mind that many autistic people's emotion doesn't quite match your average allistic's emotion, and body language is usually quite different, too[5]. I'd be wary of telling an autistic kid what they are feeling. For unrelated reasons, saying things like "you're laughing, so you must be happy" that are not literally true is a bad idea, and might interfere with tickle consent[6]: "you're laughing, so I think you're happy" is much better wording.)


> When I was around 6, I resolved not to become one of those rubbish adults who doesn't know anything but thinks they do: since then, I've been paying attention.

I'm not sure I understand. Are you autistic yourself?

In any case, thank you for your lengthy and informative replies. We live in the UK, so our path will be different from the US. As the parents, our strong instinct is that he is not "just a typical four year old". We have known something was atypical since his first year. I am so tired of external people telling me how he is "just being a child". We have another child. We know what "just being a child" is. And I'm tired of being told to dismiss our instincts.

We know that a diagnosis won't solve anything, and that we can and are learning as much as we can to understand the way he perceives the world and what works for him and what doesn't.

Thanks again for your replies.


> The slightest thing that doesn't go according to plan will result in a hyper-ventillating breakdown.

They're slight to you, because you have a more developed world-model. They're not slight to him, because they are the foundations of his reality. Talking about different things that can happen, different ways things can be, and their consequences, ahead of time – and then reinforcing that shortly before the change happens (W, so we're going to do X, so Y and Z will happen) – can make it easier to deal with. I'm not sure how much that'll go in, because he's only 4, but this can work with older children.

If these are his own plans going wrong and causing him distress, maybe it's worth teaching him how to plan for contingencies. That includes considering all likely possibilities (i.e., if A then X; if B then Y; if C then Z), and "I plan to make a new plan" for less likely events.

Techniques for managing anxiety might help as well. The general idea is to give him lots of tools with which to process the things he can't currently process. (One model is that autism is a lack of hard-wired, instinctive brain functions that allistic people have. This model is wrong, but sometimes useful.)

> He has poor gross and micro motor skills.

Sounds like dyspraxia, which usually means you have to break actions down into simpler actions and practice those simple actions a lot: sort of like learning a musical instrument. but for everything. Playing with blocks, arts and crafts, and lots of playing outside (somewhere where falling over is safe) can help reduce day-to-day clumsiness, but that will probably always be a difficulty. (I don't know much about dyspraxia.)

> He has an obsessive need for answers and will not accept "we don't know".

Are you sure he's not just playing a call-and-response game? (Does he get upset when you respond "we don't know", or is he just insistently asking questions?)

But yeah… gonna have to side with him on this one. You, as his parents, are his main gateway to the wider world, which is full of lots of really really really interesting things. "We don't know" just shuts down any possible line of inquiry. It's not actionable, even in theory. But knowledge doesn't come from parents: it comes from books, and experience, and science, and study, and we can (almost) always find out things that we don't know yet.

That doesn't necessarily mean you have time to find out the answers to his questions, right when he's asking them.[7] If you can explain that it takes time to find things out, you could make him a list for things he wants to know, and every time he asks something you don't know, you can get him to add it to the list, and then you can go through the list in your own time.

Make sure he can see the list, and add to it himself. If a lot of questions are about a certain topic, you could go to the library and find a relevant book.

If you describe some of the actual questions, I can suggest a more specific approach should you want it. (Some questions, like "how does gravity work", are best resolved by explaining how to do a physics experiment, or perhaps by telling the story of the Delft tower experiment, rather than by trying to explain Newton's laws and the inverse square law.)

Thinking of writing makes me think of school: has he started that yet? If he's going to go to school soon, and he has trouble with change, it might be worth making sure he's got a firm grasp on everything involved ahead of time, possibly including a visit to the school he's going to, so he knows what to expect. (You may be able to take advantage of moving up day.) But, again, he's 4: he might not remember a visit by the time school actually starts.

> This actually causes problems because he cannot help interrupting and cannot wait.

That just sounds like a 4-year-old to me: they're not known for their impulse control. Don't think it's autism-specific. Patiently explaining that it's rude to interrupt, and he should (e.g.) put up his hand and wait if he wants to say something while other people are talking, should get through after the thousandth time or so. (Make sure the thing to do is consistent: putting your hand up makes sense if it's the same as you do in local schools, since there'll be less re-learning and context-switching.)

> there are more behaviours we're concerned about

I can't promise I've seen it before, but your kid sounds fairly typical, so I might be able to give suggestions for those as well, if you like. Do check the websites I've linked first, though: relying on one source is a terrible idea, no matter how much I may think I know everything.

[0]: https://www.autism.org.uk/advice-and-guidance/topics/behavio...

[1]: https://www.autism.org.uk/advice-and-guidance/topics/behavio...

[2]: https://embrace-autism.com/alexithymia-and-autism-guide/

[3]: https://archive.org/details/focusing00gend

[4]: https://www.autismhelpuk.org.uk/post/how-do-you-teach-an-aut...

[5]: https://embrace-autism.com/autistic-verbal-and-nonverbal-com...

[6]: https://autisticnotweird.com/the-stop-rule/

[7]: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/why-is-the-sky-blue

[8]: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/autism-speaks/

[9]: https://www.themarysue.com/the-autism-speaks-controversy-exp...

[10]: https://www.wikihow.com/Boycott-Autism-Speaks


Thanks for taking the time to write this. I appreciate it, I read it to my wife and she agrees we should stop thinking about the why.

It’s not so much that we want them to be normal or are particularly worried about that, we are very anxious though about what happens to them when we die and what abuse they might face.


I will interpret your gratitude as license to infodump. (I have many thoughts, and few parents-of-children to share them with.)

They're not going to be dependent on you their whole lives. They will be dependent on society, but so are the majority of neurotypical adults. If they're capable of interacting with the outside world, having deliberate hobbies, etc, then while they may need extra/different support with many aspects of life, there will be areas where they don't need the support that society offers ordinarily. (I cannot tell you what areas those will be, but I'm confident there will be some.) Autistic children become autistic adults but, as with anyone, they need opportunities to mature and learn life skills if they are to become competent autistic adults.

Don't assume that there's anything your daughters are incapable of. "Doesn't talk" doesn't mean "can't speak", which doesn't mean "can't understand speech", which doesn't mean "can't use language", which doesn't mean "can't communicate deliberately", which doesn't mean "can't understand communication". You might have preconceptions like "she won't be able to read until at least her first word, so there's no point teaching her": with autism, you have to throw that kind of reasoning out of the window, because there will be at least one thing that an autistic person is "unexpectedly" good at, and if they never get the opportunity to try, you'll never find that out.

If you want them both to have a chance at an independent adulthood, you need to start them on the relevant skills early. Don't save everything until they're 15, because that's a lot to cram into a short space of time. Autistic people don't understand things the same way allistic people do, and not everyone's learned the (culturally-specific) "translating from the allistic explanation attempts" skill, so explanation likely needs supplementation with lots of practical experience.

Example: when going shopping, start at the beginning of the process (going through the pantry / meal plan, identifying which things are needed, compiling a shopping list). Talk through what you're doing, and what your reasoning is. Try to make it a routine, where the same sorts of things happen each time, and decision points are exposited (e.g. "this time, we're driving"): routines are easier to understand, easier to predict, and more familiar, which can be comforting. Though, be aware that autistic people often have atypical sensory processing (https://www.autism.org.uk/advice-and-guidance/topics/sensory...), which might prove too distracting to concentrate on learning: you might have to go shopping during the quiet hours, if the supermarket is ordinarily too intense; or, conversely, a dim supermarket might not be engaging enough. (You'll know your daughters better than I do, but I'm partly writing this for the benefit of others.)

When stuff gets spilt, don't just clean it up: show them how to clean it (including where to get cleaning supplies). When getting breakfast, show them how to do it a few times a week, if they're not already doing it themselves. (Perhaps let them practice pouring measured amounts of washably-dyed water between various containers – plastic milk bottles, especially, are unintuitive near the top and the bottom.) Eight is getting a bit old for such things to be "socially acceptable", but fortunately, autistic people tend to care less about such things (modulo social anxiety), so if you don't say "practising these basic skills is for younger children and other people will judge you for it", that probably won't be an issue.

Abuse is always a concern, but most women have to deal with that sort of thing: these aren't unusual worries for a parent of two daughters to have! Society will be better when they're older. Just try to keep them out of environments where one small group of people is judge, jury and executioner, such as prison-like "assisted living" facilities, or the "care" of ABA practitioners (see: https://starvingautist.com/aba-good-intentions-are-not-good-...). (A good assisted living facility might be really helpful, though: it all depends on what each daughter's needs are when they're adults / no longer your dependents, which is hard to predict from how they are aged 8.)

You might find these stories about an autistic(?) man with limited speech, working in a Swiss police station, interesting. https://notalwaysright.com/no-accident-kboom-explode-on-his-... https://notalwaysright.com/no-neglected-post-on-his-watch/30... https://notalwaysright.com/no-lapses-in-security-on-his-watc... They're written for an allistic audience, but the depiction feels faithful: given the situations depicted, I imagine I'd make the same decisions as Peter did (if I had enough self-confidence to work that job in the first place).

They're also good depictions of autistic morality. Academic descriptions like https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/mind-blindness-affects-mor..., while faithful descriptions, tend to interpret this as "mind blindness", but really it's just having higher standards, closer to what Eliezer Yudkowsky would call "heroic responsibility". (https://aarongertler.net/heroism/ is probably a better description than anything Eliezer Yudkowsky's written.) This article writes:

> The man traveling in Africa who encourages a friend to swim in a pond after seeing other tourists frolicking there is to blame for that friend being bitten by a mosquito and contracting malaria, [autistic research subjects] say, just as the girl who builds an igloo out of snowballs is to blame when icy snowballs crash on her friend’s head.

This makes intuitive sense. Somebody who does not understand that mosquitos are common around stagnant or slow-flowing water such as ponds, and that malaria is endemic to many parts of Africa and can be contracted by mosquito bites, has failed to perform the most basic research, and it's negligent to provide uninformed advice about things to do. (Basing your recommendation off the activities of other tourists displays a severe deficit of theory of mind, but such groupthink is common among the allistic population.) Likewise, if building a structure out of heavy materials, you need to take into account the material properties of such a structure: practising engineering without a license is illegal in many countries, for exactly this reason (not that this heuristic is perfect: https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7jq98/man-fined-for-enginee...).

For some reason I can't explain, the authors chose to bookend this paragraph with:

> But the moral conundrums in the second set of experiments flummoxed them. […] In case after case, they assign blame to individuals who intended no harm, failing to distinguish between intent and outcome.

but any philosopher of ethics will tell you that this is an incredibly defensible position, and many will tell you that the standard allistic position makes less sense. Academia – and society in general – labels as a deficit what is actually just a failure to understand allistic nonsense that nobody ever bothered to teach.

It might be worth learning a sign language (ideally one used in your local culture), and/or investing in an AAC system (see https://www.rachelmadel.com/blog/stimming-and-aac for a common misconception).


Oh, hey, the academics have started to study autistic morality from a perspective other than "autistic people are deficient". Here's one from 2020: https://doi.org/10.1177/1362361320939331


It was my understanding that Autism was more or less that the neurons in the brain expanded further than they could support and the parts that weren't supported atrophied, kinda like a tree that overgrew, think what happens to a fruit tree that isn't pruned. Everyone's brain does some growth and pruning as needed, but something happens with autism that more or less it goes too far and then the parts that atrophy are less controlled than an average brain. This is why savants etc.

This process could express completely different in people that were more or less the same genetically, just one day in a womb where they got different amounts of nutrition could cause differences to manifest, then a lifetime of small differences would further manifest differently.


One theory about autism is that it's caused by some sort of problem in synaptic pruning early in development. I don't think there's actually that much evidence for this theory, but if it is in fact caused by something like that, there could perhaps be a high degree of randomness in terms of how it affects different areas of the brain.


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I thought these were a nice idea when I had my MRI the other day, little did I know that I would barely be able to hear anything over the noise of the MRI machine. Ear plugs were better, kept out the noise of the MRI machine and let me drift into a trance.


I recently got an MRI and the technician asked me what I wanted to listen to on the headphones. I said "Something relaxing, do you have ambient music?". This turned out to be a terrible choice; the music was so quiet I could barely hear it. Earplugs would have been better. I had some in my pocket that I brought but it was too late.

So after the claustrophobic panic subsided and I realized I was left in there with nothing but the loud machine and my own thoughts, I decided to listen to the machine as if it were music.

I found it supremely hypnotic and trance-inducing, almost meditative. I'm a big fan of deep and hypnotic techno, so the rhythmic MRI sounds were right up my alley. I'd probably have enjoyed it more with earplugs though.


When I had an MRI a few years ago, my conclusion about the sound was "add a melody on top of that rhythm, and it would go over quite well in an underground industrial music club in an abandoned warehouse outside of Berlin."

I haven't looked to see if anyone has actually tried to make music with the sound or not.


When I had one it felt like I was listening to early to mid 2000s Autechre. In other words, almost interesting, almost enjoyable, just not quite there.


Answer seems to be, yes:

https://whyy.org/segments/the-mri-is-a-source-of-anxiety-and...

You can also make music with the scanner:

https://youtu.be/7MRm5mD2YxQ


> I said "Something relaxing, do you have ambient music?". This turned out to be a terrible choice; the music was so quiet I could barely hear it.

That was a golden opportunity to experience ambient music in the most historically authentic way possible!

Listen to Brian Eno's story of what inspired his 1978 album, "Ambient 1: Music for Airports":

https://www.synthtopia.com/content/2016/01/05/brian-eno-tell...


You're not alone. The "music" combined with the visual sensory deprevation can be a trip. Some machines are completely featureless on the inside and I've found it can feel like I'm floating in a bit open space, not crammed into a magnetic tube!


The strong field can induce vertigo as well, it's pretty weird. You don't even need to be in the scanner- the field itself causes it by mucking with your inner ear.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4362897


I get an MRI Brain every three months. I usually opt out of the piped music - mostly because it's either a bad choice by the radiology techs or tuned to a generically awful radio station - but the headphones lock into the head cradle so I use them with earplugs underneath. I close my eyes and tune out and try to not sleep (and twitch so they have to restart the capture).

Some of the pulse sequences are rhythmic and I find the entire thing somewhat meditative, but there are many other places I'd rather be.


This is exactly how I approached it the first time with just the ear plugs. I find those machine sounds can be quite soothing and hypnotic on their own. I’ll give the music a miss next time.


Earplugs and music is the discerning choice.

Most (all?) vendors suggest this - they get well over 100db and the vendor headphones are pretty crappy.


What was your experience with the MRI like? Specifically, did you "feel" it? I've had my knee scanned for ACL damage, and have spoken to a few other acquaintances that have had scans as well. We've all discussed having some sensation in the exact part of the body being scanned. We all just happened to similar sports based knee injuries. It was just the slightest of tingling, but noticeable. Definitely not painful or anything scary. Was it just psychosomatic? Very possibly, but it's interesting that we all experienced it.


The RF pulses and field gradients can directly stimulate the peripheral nerves. I have had involuntary muscle twitching triggered by many pulse sequences. It’s not unheard of. It made me more sympathetic for patients who have motion in images. It could be that the particular combination of pulse sequence and their nerves don’t jive and triggers movement.

Source: Radiologist (and personal experience in the bore)


If the patient isn’t twitching occasionally, the resolution is too low. We aim to be just below peripheral nerve stimulation threshold.

I’m sort of joking, but if you aren’t ever getting PNS, the machine is not being run very hard.

However the sensation you get in the region being scanned feels more like heating than PNS to me. You notice it more on high SAR sequences, suggesting that might be the cause. PNS just feels like twitching you can’t control, but ones milage may vary as this is anecdotal.

Source: MR radiographer.


I don’t think it’s heating. I think it’s PNS because my leg will periodically twitch which I can time with the pulse sequence.

I also have some small ACL reconstruction hardware in the knee which might interact and predispose that leg to moving…

I am well acquainted with high SAR abdominal scans in a 3T from my time doing scan certification in a petmr. Even though I “know” that tissue heating from high SAR is a thing, it always surprises me when my abdomen gets warm.


I used a high spec Siemens Avanto which a University owned. We used to get people complaining about PNS in the left hip and just above the bridge of the nose. It was a weird thing, and mainly happened on cardiac scans. Some found it too painful to continue with scanning.

I’ve had a little bit of PNS, but nothing that strong.

The SAR sensation of being heated from the inside is an unusual one, I’m not sure I’ve had anything else do that?


I had a head one done, it was very noisy, but the thing I found most uncomfortable, or rather, disconcerting, is when they injected the tracing fluid.

I thought they would do it all the way through, but then I suddenly heard the pump start halfway through the procedure and a slightly cooler fluid running up inside my arms.


I have had an abdomen MRI. I definitely felt sensations when the machine was doing particular sets of scans.

Also, I accidentally left my wedding ring on (I informed them, they were not interested in the slightest). My right felt hot during the scans. Not painful burning hot, but warmer than body temp for sure.


I guess forgetting your gold ring in an MRI lets you know it's not gold plating of a cheaper metal!


MRI can cause a tingling sensation. Apparently, it can be quite noticeable when you make a loop, e.g. with your arms. See peripheral nerve stimulation.


make a loop? wouldn't that require breaking the cardinal rule of not moving during the scan?


For my knee scans I could move into a position that was comfortable for me which actually I think was arms folded across my abdomen, but then you just do not move while the imaging is happening, which will have a distinct sound.


I wonder this has applications for brain degeneration in Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s and MS.

Anything improving neuroplasticity could be great additions to the treatments for these diseases. I’d like to see more of this get out there and approved.


If those were facilitated by structural decomposition, one might expect that this kind of physical treatment might accelerate it, no?


Isn't the Guinness Book of World Records like this? in the sense that it gives people the opportunity to find something nobody else has done and gain some kind of status that didn't really exist before.

I absolutely loved watching the show "Record Breakers" as a kid, we should try to expand opportunities in this way it seems very positive for society.


I was close to returning my Vision Pro but after using it on a plane recently during a business trip (I travel a fair bit) I will definitely be keeping it. It has been the best in flight entertainment by far, watching 3D movies on here while flying is outstanding. It felt like I could touch the water when I watched avatar. It’s also useful for having a big screen when I’m sitting down on a sofa and using my laptop, however, when I tried to use it for work longer term, like 7-8 hours it was just too uncomfortable.


It seems awesome for plane use, but so, so bulky for light packers. Kinda similar to my noise-cancelling Bose headphones - they're great on planes, but more often than not I'd rather save the space and just use earplugs or IEMs. (They're also not mutually exclusive - if I do pack my noise-cancelling headphones, I'll wear them in addition to earplugs if I want to e.g. read in silence.)


I've been considering this as well, and it's indeed a very compelling usecase. But is it better for the same usecase than the Quest series of headsets?


I've heard stories that Quest is actually better than Vision Pro in many ways. On top of that it's also a magnitude cheaper.

I bet for in-flight entertainment use only the choice is a no-brainer.


John Carmack pointed out on X that there is a fatal flaw in this design:

“I am skeptical of something like this making an impact for consumer VR, but it should be possible to integrate the sensor input at the OpenXR level, allowing it to work with all apps without needing per-app specialization.

However, it probably doesn’t “solve” motion sickness, because the vestibular system still won’t think you are going forward. The bouncing around motion of walking does have a masking effect that will help some.“

I personally could not get over the awful bout of motion sickness after I played my first “walking around” game on VR.


I think it depends how it's supposed to be used. If you try to use it like a treadmill in a tiny room then no - and I'm sceptical it would work at all, because the motors would probably be overpowered by any kind of decent sprint or jump.

However I could imagine this to be able to expand the abilities of venues that already have enough space to let you walk around: You could have people move on their own as long as there is space, but then "stealthily" move them around when they think they're standing still, allowing either much larger geometries than would even fit in a hall or let you play around with non-euclidean geometries, etc.

But yeah, in general I agree, I don't see how this will enable some kind of VR breakthrough or even just move us in the direction on one: Even with this tech working perfectly, you'd be restricted to scenarios where you walk on flat ground and never touch anything. Even a basic hike in the woods has more complex interactions than that, not even starting with the kind of over-the-top acrobatics that we're used to from non-VR videogames.

So yeah, you could probably do the Stanley Parable in VR with this (without the staircases and the drops), but I don't see much else.


> you'd be restricted to scenarios where you walk on flat ground

I don’t think it’s either surprising or discouraging that flat walking surfaces get worked out before dynamic surfaces.

It might take a while, but it is inevitable.

A rolling wave, with a grippy active surface, could keep you centered while you perceived an upward slope. Seeing and feeling a vista of uneven slopes in VR would be fantastic. I would love Skyrim as a health app!

Also, simple tilting could provide the force feedback of changing speeds.


I wonder how quickly you can spin someone while they're walking without it being perceptible. If you have a large area, you could use sneaky rotation to constrain movement while minimizing the amount of sliding people around you have to do. Though I'm not actually sure that'd be less noticeable at practical sizes.


Calling this a fatal flaw is silly.

It may not fix everything with movement wearing a HMD, but one can imagine a whole lot of use cases without HMDs, and it might improve a lot of HMD use cases.


Sure but I think that Disney is likely to be presenting this as a potential consumer use case and if it can’t make traction there it seems pretty fatal if they can’t find a way to make money from it.

We see a lot of POCs like this that never make it anywhere.


I think it's far more likely that this will be used in the parks division: Selling to consumers involves far more variables than creating a VR enhanced ride. Only if it's successful as a ride, with time to get the problems figured out and the prices low enough, they will consider retail.


As it stands though VR motion sickness is an even bigger problem for a park ride, sometimes you can get used to the sickness but if you’re doing it for a one off ride.


The video mentioned stage shows as an application, which makes total sense. It’s like the turning platform from Hamilton x1000.


Motion sickness in VR is not universal. Many do just fine playing unoptimized, stuttering games/apps at 50fps including when using smooth locomotion.


It’s a problem most people experience, having worked in VR for years, I am still very sensitive.


I thought I didn’t have a problem until I played a action-y game for over an hour in one go and felt very nauseous after


Even if it didn’t solve motion sickness, I think it would dramatically help with immersion for me.

Artificial movement brings me out of it more than anything.


If you make one of these big enough then you wouldn't notice the motion. That would of course be crazy expensive. Cool though.


I don’t know why he’s saying that. Treadmills solve motion, why wouldn’t this?


Have you tried a treadmill with a VR headset on? It’s not the movement that’s the problem it’s combining it with a VR headset.


I have tried it and I don't know what are you talking about. VR + treadmill is better than VR + stepping in place. And VR + stepping in place is better than VR + moving with a joystick.

The fact that this invention perhaps doesn't solve the immersion/sickness problem perfectly doesn't mean it is fatally flawed.


The UK always had a program that allowed you to become a teacher without a degree. It involves a diploma followed by gaining QTLS (Qualified Teacher Learning and Skills) status I believe. Is this not the case in the USA?


Generally in the US you need a bachelors degree and a teaching certificate.

But requirements are set individually by the states and vary widely.


It'll vary by state.


This argument that the LLM is learning seems slightly flawed when you consider that other experts in the field consider it more like lossy compression. If it’s lossy compression that’s really happening here then you can understand the copyright argument. It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out, lots of new ground breaking.


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