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The magnitudes make it s.t. it doesn't really matter, I think.

Don't think it's a flex, I think it's useful context for the rest of their comment.

> I and every other smart person I know still use ChatGPT (paid) because even now it's the best

My smart friends use a mixture of models, including chatgpt, claude, gemini, grok. Maybe different people, it's ok, but I really don't think chatgpt is head and shoulders above the others.


I'm opening up my app right now, and I see none of this. Granted I'm a recent installer (this week), and all I've followed are tech/ml based lists. But it is a much quieter place than twitter.

The major accounts from twitter are not on bluesky, but I don't care for vitriol or meme replies (all of which are much higher on twitter). That being said, twitter still has a lot of interesting people, who are the main reason to continue using the site.


Where are you seeing this?


FAFSA. That's one of the calculations that goes into Expected Family Contribution. There is an expectation that parent's contribute some % of income (20%?), 5% of assets, and that the student basically contributes 90% of any income or assets to their name before a single dollar of aid, usually federal loans, will be offered.

For all of you younger folks just starting your families, expect to pay full price for college if you are anywhere near the top 25% of earners (most of this site presumably). Any scholarship money is a bonus but aid probably isn't going to be forthcoming.

The subtext of this MIT announcement is that any family making more than $200,000 will be paying full price to subsidize the poorer students.


I'm not a Googler, but would still ask commenters to show some respect for the person who died, and save your opinions about youtube for another day.


I’d take it as a time to reflect that no matter how much profit you make, people will remember you for what you’ve accomplished. Think about that when you get to your coveted position of power in the industry.


Those people won’t matter. Your loved ones do and will though, and they won’t measure you by your accomplishments and net worth.


In particular, Susan was a lovely soul and specifically deserves all of our respect.

If you want to hate, then hate the game, not the player (especially in this case).


I'm sure she was, but I did not personally know her and I'm pretty sure few others here did as well. It's newsworthy for what she was, her role, not really for who she was as a person.

I certainly wouldn't mind reading some personal eulogies about what a great mentor her was etc., or about how she influenced your life with her work even if you didn't know her.

But I also don't mind reading critical posts about the role she played, I think that's part of the picture for someone who's famous as a business leader. If people weren't willing to speak freely about the dead, we wouldn't have had the Nobel prizes.


This saying never made sense to me as a game is only a game if there are players.


A good example is taxes. Many people think the 'rich', including the rich, should pay more. Every tax form in the US has a spot where you are free to write in a larger amount to send, but I wonder how many actually do? Unless the game ends collectively, it doesn't make sense to stop playing. I will continue to pay as little taxes as possible until the game is changed.


The point of the saying is that the player is not necessarily in position to change the rules, or at least not in the immediate short term. How far one wants to accept this as acceptable reasoning is a subjective matter.


Or maybe not that subjective when looked at closer. It may just as well be a saying that the entitled classes use to defend their selfish and less than good behaviour. Beacause the classes of the not-entitled buy this as somehow having reasonable meaning.

The entitled classes have no reason to change rules that are clearly stacked in their favour. But it sounds way better to say the rules cannot be changed. But it is hard to see why this should be self-evidently true.


You can offset basically anything with it. It's another way to say "it's just a collection of atoms working by the laws of nature".

Most of these proverbs are just selling bs.


She censored things because of politics. That’s not “lovely.”

YouTube has videos on the dangers of GMO crops, despite the scientific consensus for their safety and utility.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8959534/#cit000...

YouTube has plenty of videos about electromagnetic sensitivity about which the WHO says: “EHS has no clear diagnostic criteria and there is no scientific basis to link EHS symptoms to EMF exposure.”

https://www.who.int/teams/environment-climate-change-and-hea...

And more stupidity: “Eating these foods kills cancer”

https://youtu.be/WGbFnp56csg?si=t54Pcr3uqjrXRx9f

“12 foods that can fight and cure cancer”

https://youtu.be/FdlKCpEzSAE?si=J6rtKs6valWnamBP

Interview with Robert DeNiro 8 years about his concerns about vaccines and autism and his doubts about the vaccine effectiveness statistics.

https://youtu.be/FJ7iPn39i08?si=mRYD3a3y9HdMPMQ8

Covid censorship was political and not from some altruistic “goodness.”

And YouTube experienced very significant growth during the pandemic. So that “lovely” soul was profiting because of the lockdowns. Lockdowns that were possible due to fear and a lack of any permissible public debate — partially thanks to YouTube. Would lockdowns have ended sooner if there was more debate on the topic allowed? Definitely. What about school closures? Absolutely. But videos debating these things weren’t allowed.

So no, the game and the player in this case are one and the same. I’m not going to respect anyone that supported lockdowns or supported suppressing scientific debate. Curating opinion (and facts) while pretending to not to isn’t worthy of respect.

And, YouTube still allows those addictive kid videos where the narrator says “If you love your parents, like and subscribe. If you don’t love your parents, don’t like and subscribe.”


The people in this thread and elsewhere online are generally arguing that she was not a lovely soul.


When is there a better time to discuss the works of a famous person than when they are in the news?


I associate her with censorship. Should I respect her for that?


Why? If a person has done measurable harm to you, and your community, why is it not acceptable to say, "this person's legacy was one of harm. They chose to hurt vulnerable people"?


Maybe I am a callous person, but I have never agreed to this "don't speak ill of the dead" thing.

People live and die. It is inevitable. To the grieving family, I can understand why refraining from insulting the dearly departed is necessary. They are grieving and can be irrational. No need to make things worse for them.

But between unrelated people? Why can't I discuss the legacy of the dead? We are defined by our deeds in life. It is only natural that in death, people will talk and opine about what we have done. Nothing wrong with it.


I feel like there's an unwritten "recently" in there. If you were to speak ill of Colonel Sanders, nobody would berate you for speaking ill of the dead. But when a CEO like Wojcicki, who made changes that were unpopular to the end-users (but helped turn YouTube into an actual profitable company) dies, it's considered very impolite to use that opportunity to bad-mouth decisions she made. When her son died earlier this year, that would've been a bad time to speak ill of her, as well, even though she herself was still alive.

A better phrase may be "Don't say things that will hurt the feelings of those who are grieving," but that doesn't roll off the tongue so easily.


She was a public figure. If millions of people around the world know your name then when you die, people will have things to say. Some will be good, some will be bad.

The custom about “not speaking ill of the dead” makes sense in a small IRL community, not for internationally famous people.


> "Don't say things that will hurt the feelings of those who are grieving"

I for one would prefer "don't get attached to evil people"


Few people are comically evil enough that you can look at them and say "Ah, yes. You are evil. I will not get attached."


You haven't talked to enough people. I probably have that inner-thought at least once a month.


Yep. Feathers of the same birds flock together so one is just a little bit worse than the other and nobody feels ashamed.


"We are defined by our deeds in life"

We are but most folks here basically know nothing of her deeds, or really anything about her. They see one piece of a thing she was a face of for some time period, and that they also knew mostly nothing about, but appear to love to have strong opinions on!

If you want to speak of her deeds then go and learn about them. Otherwise, people aren't speaking of anything other than some small myopic view of a human being they knew nothing about. Folks don't get to say that she is defined by the small piece of stuff they saw, just because they want to have an opinion on it.

Besides being disrespectful, it's not even interesting, and it says more about the people doing it than the person they are talking about.

It's like saying you are defined by the small and short interactions you had with grocery store cashiers who happen to like to post about their experiences with you on the internet and nothing else.


>But between unrelated people? Why can't I discuss the legacy of the dead? We are defined by our deeds in life. It is only natural that in death, people will talk and opine about what we have done. Nothing wrong with it.

unless you have a magical way to make your comment here invisible to her family and friends, posting it to the internet is not keeping the comment exclusively "between unrelated people." Many of those replies to Pichai are vile.


There's an implied "reasonable chance" in there.


Agreed, I don't get it either. I also wonder how many people saying this sort of thing expressed the same sentiment when someone they had a strong dislike of passed or had a close brush with death.

We've had many such incidents over the recent years and at least in my anecdotal observations, people do not consistently apply this.


Socrates never wrote a single thing down and was, somewhat ironically, opposed to writing. The reason is that he felt that words cannot defend themselves. They can be twisted, taken out of context, and misrepresented, with none there to defend them, provide that missing context, or what not. Fortunately his student Plato disagreed so here we can discuss him 2400 years after his death.

With a dead person, I think this logic holds to an even higher degree. Personally I'm not really sure whether I agree or disagree with it, but it seems pretty reasonable, especially if we don't hyperbolically immediately leap to absurdly extreme examples like Hitler or whatever.


> Maybe I am a callous person, but I have never agreed to this "don't speak ill of the dead" thing.

If they're rich and powerful who cares... here's John Oliver's reaction to Kissinger dying [0]... tl;dr "not soon enough"

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HmrJmq7d1c


You know that Google has an intranet, right? The CEO of a division that extracts rent from almost every living person doesn't deserve more respect than a homeless person in SF


On a 1-10 scale of nefariousness, I would classify Youtube as pretty low, it's a manageable addiction and with a little bit of self control the videos you watch will be worthwhile. I am a subscriber. Then there is Youtube Kids, and whoever worked on that deserves a 9, and good bye.


I have no dog in this game - literally no opinion on what kind of person she was.

I use YouTube, even though I don't particularly like it, much like every other Google product. Not sure how much of what I dislike on YouTube is her fault or not,and it doesn't really matter anyway. It is not like I hold any hopes of YouTube becoming any better now.

But I find this kind of comment curious. Someone noteworthy and controversial dies, critical comments are sure to follow.

Happened when people such as Kissinger or Chomsky died. No one was saying "show some respect to the person who died, save your opinions for another day". It would be fairly ridiculous to say so.


Don't kill Chomsky, he is still alive


Oh lol. I thought he was dead.

The point still stands


The point doesn‘t stand, because you made a claim about what people supposedly said or didn’t say after Chomsky passed away. And he didn‘t even pass.


It does, because people thought he died and commented about what he will be remembered for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40720876 - We Remember Noam Chomsky, the Intellectual and Moral Giant

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40721208 - Linguist and philosopher Noam Chomsky dies at age 95


This is pedantry at its finest.

You can remove the name and still have a point left there. Just pretend the comment only said Kissinger, it’s really not that hard.


Honestly if you are 50% wrong about a point you are trying to make that doesn't look great.


A lot of people thought he did die and they did say things about him.


He is living in Brazil, but unfortunately it seems to be his ending days too. Every other week there is a fake news about his death.


The recent MIT period of dominance correlates very well with professor who is coaching the team there.


I think Activeloop(YC) is too: https://github.com/activeloopai/deeplake/


^ Just pointing out, the parent didn't say NP-hard or -complete, so they weren't wrong (but could be misunderstood). But saying Quantum doesn't help for NP isn't right either.


Fair enough!


Isn't binance going away? Feels like they're going under heavy pressure and are getting restricted everywhere.


Google?


Did they call themselves an "AI" company when they were raising funds?


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