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maybe people enjoy working with it .. I love it, I went from a systems admin/customer support to being a senior react dev, I learned angular, than some javascript, than some programming and then some more and some more.


Perhaps your love of JS/TS/whatever is based more on the path you took and your starting point than the tech you use.

Having been through half a dozen programming languages and most phases of the evolution of web development, I have a very different perspective. The complexity and fragility of modern JS-centric web development would have been unimaginable to us 15 years ago.

What started (as far as most people experienced) as Jquery, where you could sprinkle a little JS and make some big UX improvements ballooned into this monster where you need thousands of libraries, package management, bundling/minifying/babeling/etc., and fallback plans (you do have graceful degredation built into your JS frontend, yes?).

As the phrase goes, we can't see the forest for the trees. If we did carefully review the path we took from then to now, the promises or beliefs we bought which led us down certain trails, and then considered the outcome... I expect we wouldn't be even close to this situation we find ourselves in now.


I’ve written quite a few old-school web apps in Rails and ASP.Net. Unless you stuck to really basic stuff, they were much harder for me to reason about than the React codebases I’ve been on. jQuery consists of trying to reason about accidentally over aggressive global event handlers and effects, etc.

I prefer the modern mess.

It’s still a mess, though.


That's fine, but lots of people also enjoy working with Python. I happen to not particularly like Python all that much, and that's never really caused that much friction (responses tend to be "yeah, that part isn't very good" and/or "right, I see where you're coming from"). Frontend on the other hand...

I don't want to paint with too broad of a brush. Some of my best friends are frontend developers! But a community can have a certain "atmosphere" or "vibe" to it. I do a lot of Go programming these days, and I find the "vibe" in Go is one of self-righteous arrogant twattery. Does that mean every Go developer is like that? Of course not. But I found that's the overall "vibe" in the community nonetheless (it's a bit better than it used to be though).


I'm in the same boat, I was expecting some punchline .. it's just moaning without anything concrete


I couldn’t even get through it. I sort of hate Twitter threads. Lost are the days of making your point in 140 characters or less.


I've never seen an interesting point that could be made in 140 characters or less. That limit works for jokes, headlines, and almost nothing else.

Single-tweet "wisdom" always turns out to be something so broad/unqualified that it's uninteresting or untrue. VC Twitter is basically a deluge of that kind of faux-profound nonsense.


> Single-tweet "wisdom" always turns out to be something so broad/unqualified that it's uninteresting or untrue.

True, but Twitter threads are the Burma Shave signs of the tech-gentsia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burma-Shave

https://www.legendsofamerica.com/66-burmashave/2/


At first I found it surprising to start finding all of these Twitter threads making it to the front of HN and thought "well, it must be a really compelling message..." Now I just ignore them altogether. It is a very distracting medium for the longer posts, and that distraction shows through from the writers side as well.


Haha I created an account just to agree. There’s no content to this twitter thread. I think he’s anti mainstream? That’s his signal?


> hate Twitter threads

Me too. They are absurd, hard to read and a waste of resource (load time, requests, steaming pile of JS).

They sould be penalized/barred.


Sums up the majority of whinging about JS you see online. I’m confused what “the front end community” even is.


so I imagine the games will be ran via stadia ?!


What makes you say that? That is quite beefy machine, very capable of running most modern games on reasonable settings (the resolution is a lot smaller than what people are used to which means lot fewer pixels to push). The only concern I would have is thermals and cooling but I'm sure they have it figured out.


Amen ... I've started building a shed (10x10) 1.5 months ago with 0 woodworking experience.

It's the most fun I've had in a decade .. my joints are swollen, I've got bruises and scrapes on my hands and feet, skin on my hand is actually rough.

I work from home nine-to-five, software. I can't wait to finish work to actually go outside and work on the shed.

I've actually considered quitting my job and doing this full time .. but it won't pay nearly enough as I'm making in software and my financial commitments won't let me.


competition is good, it's better than piling all the money in one place.


Is it really competition when nobody is trying?


Surely there's evidence they're both trying?


Europe is trying to build a glorified cargo box. SpaceX is trying to build a starship.

I’d be more enthusiastic if we had 2 attempts at a spaceship.


I am tired of spacex fanboys that cant tell the difference between a scientific mission for research and a commercial operation


> "And this satellite that Airbus will build - I like to call it 'the first interplanetary cargo ship', because that's what it will be doing. It's designed to carry cargo between Mars and Earth,"

It has nothing to do with fanboy or not. I’m sure there are tons of challenges involved in making this happen, but I just don’t think a cargo satellite is fundamentally very exciting.

Having a human in orbit of mars would make the whole process of retrieving rock samples orders of magnitude easier.


> SpaceX is trying to build a starship

No.


No? I agree that so far it has been mostly exploding cylinders, but that doesn’t really change what they’re attempting no?


it was a test .. you're hired


this is exactly the reason I prefer the office .. I have 2 kids, 5 & 2, and if I'm home they are very much used to me being around them or doing something together, working from home is not ideal


My son is 5 and he knows what my door is for. He still comes in occasionally but it's pretty manageable. The 2 year old is a different matter, but soon we'll get daycares back so no biggie.


A door helps tremendously.


As a free instrument for them to bang on while screaming ‘Papa!’ At the top of their lungs?


If you think a door would stop 2 kids aged 2-5, I don't think you have lived in the same house with kids aged 2-5.


It may seem crazy to some, but kids aged 2-5 can actually learn things and be taught that when a parent is in their office, they are not to be bothered. I have a 2 and a 4 year old at home, and they know what my office is for.

That being said, their games in the other rooms of the house are occasionally pretty loud, but is it really worse than an open office?


Yes, we watched my nephew from birth to just over 3 years old for 16 hours a day while I worked. He learned that if the door was closed it meant I was busy. At times when I had on music he knew he could come in and sit and listen while I worked as long as he didn’t talk.

He grew up that way though, so YMMV of course.


The system was absolutely flawed, still is, but still good enough to encourage the highly skilled.

Our (Romania's) education system was (is) the same, if you were GOOD at something there were plenty of paths that teachers would generally push you towards, special clubs for maths, languages, art (less common). Or schools who would try to group together highly skilled students.

System (after communism) has the same flaw, most rural areas have worse access to education, or better said, much worse quality of education.


I believe the opposite when it comes to 'behavioral signs at preschool age' .. I think a child natural inclination towards 'math like' sciences is visible very early


Cheap comment ..

I see them as options, not steps, options within the same ecosystem

A lot changed, but the limitation is still the same - the delivery platform - browser (dom + js)


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