Both I and Usain Bolt get a Prius. Who is faster at the shopping mall? What will happen to our fitness? Who will be the next Usain Bolt and would we even care?
> I wonder how Island, Greenland, Norway etc. live with a population count far lower without the fear of extinction. Maybe it’s a bad idea to to look at the current birth rate anf extrapolate it in the future like it’s a constant number.
A good point. But one could also look at an ailing elephant, and say it need not worry about dying, because look, it is so much larger than a healthy kitten. Yet in a year, the elephant will be a skeleton, and the kitten will be a healthy cat. It all depends how they will handle the population drop - in a controlled way, gently reducing their numbers, or will it trigger a crisis, they let 52 million Chinese into their country, and slowly disappear as a distinct people.
> The culture? That already dies through changes in time.
By this logic a child dying or growing up is no different - both are "deaths through change". Of course the culture that Korea's culture will evolve into is much different than how Hungarian or Nigerian culture will evolve.
> The South Korean gen? Humans are pretty similar regarding their genes.
Even in a place as small and inter-connected as Europe, people have differentiated genes [1]. Globally, especially with geographic barriers, the diversity is even greater [2]. I find it extremely callous to so casually say Korean genetic distinctions aren't worth preserving, or that Koreans are interchangeable with any other people.
Like your first link showed:
There is a greater diversity between African countries than any African country to Europe.
You could break down those differences down to the village level but it’s a useless distinction and more likely the base useless racism and nationalism.
By that logic every single humans death is a loss of genetic diversity.
And thanks to international travel and migration this differences already get mixed up.
> By that logic every single humans death is a loss of genetic diversity.
This is "how many grains of sand make a pile" territory, isn't it? You're claiming that because a change of X is negligible, it must mean that a change of 1000000*X is also negligible.
As for my first link - I couldn't find where it showed that, and even if it did, it doesn't follow that the differences are negligible (to whom?) [1]. Why does Africa having a lot of genetic human diversity, make those differences negligible?
[1] Especially since Africa has two completely different populations due to the barrier of the Sahara - of course the difference between Europeans and Arabs are smaller than between Arabs and Namibians.
> I wonder how Island, Greenland, Norway etc. live with a population count far lower without the fear of extinction.
Countries aren't species, they are social constructs; they are maintained memetically, not genetically. There is no shortage of humans to assure that survival of countries that pay sufficient effort to their memetic continuity.
With present population trends, in a few centuries it might be time to be concerned about birthrates if they don't adjust thermostatically to changed global population conditions, but there is certainly no imminent threat from low birthrates.
Are we done with the great deportation experiment? Giving amnesty like Reagan or Bush Jr's visa proposal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guest_worker_program) would make us safer just due to IDing everyone, and richer due to taxing more people. That's the one great thing about America, we'll try every bad thing at least once (internment camps, segregation, false wars), and then we realize we're actually not down with it.
We can tighten down the immigration entrance policy after we humanely deal with what has already happened.
I know. The left has not seriously put thought into how to actually tighten and have a sane entrance/enforcement policy either. This is a bipartisan issue that requires a) humanity b) reality c) practicality. We don't have the political leadership to get us there yet, but it is at least grass roots to begin having the two reasonable sides even discussing it in far corners of the internet (maybe it'll bubble up). Obstinance on both sides certainly is getting us nowhere, because kicking out whoever Trump is going to kick out is going to be undone by the next Democrat, so back to square one, right?
I never thought I'd say Bush Jr had one of the best policies on this ever, and it was the Democrats that stopped it. So, I know the left isn't nearly correct on it. That I don't even think a whole wall is stupid if we humanely incorporate whoever already built a life here.
We had a shot at a general amnesty or reformed guest worker program in the mid 2000s to early 2010s, but unions like the UFCW (the primary decider of elections in NV) and others in the AFL-CIO opposed it.
That said, the AFL-CIO of today is much more white collar and diverse compared to that of 20 years ago, so it wouldn't be as brutal for their locals.
I've said this a thousand times: all unions aren't equal, and we as Dems need to drop the Midwest (aside from MN and IL, where unions are AFL-CIO aligned, and demographics are Dem aligned) and the UAW+ILU. The GOP has a platform that is closer aligned to their locals, and national has flipped as a result.
Give up the rust belt, and concentrate on shoring up UFCW heavy states like NV, AZ, GA, and NC.
Pandering to the UAW and ILU cause the Biden admin to snub Musk, which enraged an already unstable egotistical person to go into the deep end [0], and the UAW and ILU anyhow decided to endorse the Trump admin's current moves [1]. So much for making an enemy.
Stop pandering to the Hank Hills - they will vote red.
Of course, this won't change - such a change would inevitably break a lot of factions internally in the Dems, and would be fought tooth and nail by the Shapiros and Whitmers.
I was a tourist in the US and drove towards one of these ICE checkpoints in southern AZ I’ve heard so much about.
I was perfectly legal, but I was worried, started to think about where my passport was in the car, etc.
Before I could even stop the guy waived me through.
I’m white.
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