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> Turing test was surpassed years ago

I keep seeing this thrown around, but did anyone actually like go out and do this? I feel like I could distinguish between an AI (even the latest models) and a person after a text-only back and forth conversation.


The models you've interacted with have guardrails. If you fine-tuned an LLM with the goal of "convince people you are human" (effectively the opposite of what the major players are doing with their fine-tunes), I am very confident even you would be fooled.

Have you checked out Marp? https://marp.app/

Basically it generates slides from markdown, which is great even without LLMs. But you can get LLMs to output in markdown/Marp format and then use Marp to generate the slides.

I haven't looked into complicated slides, but works well for text-based ones.


Looks interesting. I am on the hunt for clean tools for producing presentations. I really like Powerpoint, mainly because of their animation and vector editing features. However, I don't want to keep using a proprietary tool.

You could also try Hyperdeck which uses Markdown for slides as well, but supports most of the animation features of Powerpoint as well as MathML and stuff like that (no vector editing though)

http://hyperdeck.io


If you're the coder/hacker type you might like Typst. It's a typesetting tool but it can create presentations too and I like it better than Powerpoint where I have to manually edit and align everything on every page to ensure a consistent style.

Fascinating. I did not know that you can create presentations with Typst

just use a canva template

Thanks, I did not know that you could use Canva for presentations. However, it is still proprietary software. (Worse, it lives on the web)

Work at a bank? That’s my reaction to 95% of the cool stuff I see every week.

No, I do not work at a bank. What do you mean?

Banks need to be secure and be able to uphold regulatory standards.

Same for Mermaid diagram.

Proportional representation is more important than RCV vs approval voting for single-winner elections. And, in the US, multi-winner RCV (single transferable vote) is the most viable approach to achieve that.


> subsidizing fossil fuels to 7 trillion a year globally

This is misleading. See https://www.slowboring.com/i/145942190/the-case-of-the-myste...

> The vast majority of the “subsidies” are “implicit subsidies,” which include “undercharging for environmental costs.” In other words, they are characterizing governments’ failure to impose a carbon tax as a “subsidy” for fossil fuel use.


If I have to pay to clean up your mess to live in a world the way it was before you polluted it, it’s a subsidy


Before fossil fuels our cities were ankle-deep in horse shit, and when a horse died the owner dumped the carcass in the river. Some level of pollution is in inescapable price of civilization. We shouldn't be reckless or wanton about it but it's unreasonable and uneconomic to ever clean up all of the mess.


All or nothing fallacy. The argument is not to eliminate pollution, the argument is to stop generating greenhouse gases. You can already see the effects of climate change and it's guaranteed to get worse.

I don't understand why you're making excuses for carbon pollution.


But you don’t know the cleanup cost yet, so how can you put a dollar amount on the subsidy?


There are estimates for the social cost of carbon. It isn't super exact.


Not paying for pollution we know they cause is an implicit subsidy, feels quite obvious.


Then the same "implicit subsidy" goes for literally every facet of human activity. Do builders of wind turbines and solar farms also pay commensurately for the pollution in the manufacturing and development process?

Everything is implicitly subsidized because every action that any living being takes affects some other living being and the ecosystem as a whole, because we all live on the same planet. It's a meaningless statement.


> Do builders of wind turbines and solar farms also pay commensurately for the pollution in the manufacturing and development process?

Sure, we can assign those costs to builders, why not? There's already lots of discussion about the true cost of EV batteries and how they're subsidized.

> Everything is implicitly subsidized because every action that any living being takes affects some other living being and the ecosystem as a whole, because we all live on the same planet.

Actions don't all have the same effect so I think it's totally fair to consider their true costs.

I think where it gets a little tricky is how you decide to assign costs to people that have children or are children. But that's really getting in the weeds.


> Then the same "implicit subsidy" goes for literally every facet of human activity

No, we generally pay for pollution. If I litter I pay. If I have to throw stuff away I pay (via taxes). If I have to dump dangerous chemicals I pay.

Oil industry can dump whatever they want into the air and they don't pay. You, and I, pay. We don't actually know how profitable oil is because of this.


Don't forget that the oil industry requires a lot of manufacturing and development too. They also cause stuff on top of that.


What an exercise in false equivalence. Does every facet of human activity have the same impact as CO2 emission from fossil fuel combustion?


Why focus on CO2 emissions? That's only one aspect of pollution.


Because of its enormous global impact.


Ok, where should we focus it then?


Guessing it’s from following the style of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Now_Foundation


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I think Wikipedia has it wrong actually after reading more closely. It’s not a way to solve the year 10,000 problem, as in a date formatting issue akin to Y2K, as Wikipedia suggests.

Instead it’s to get you thinking of the long term future.

The Wikipedia article does say that is the goal of the Long Now Foundation, but not how the leading 0 is related.


That's also idiotic because we don't put a leading zero in front of 1, 2 or 3 digit years, and neither will future historians put one in front of 4-digit ones - it's just gratuitously annoying.

Charlemagne was crowned in 800 AD, not in 0800 or 00800.

Pompeii was destroyed by the Vesuvius in 79 AD, not 079 or 0079 or 00079.

The battle of the Teutoburg Forest was in 9 AD, not 09, 009, 0009 or 00009.

Also why stop at 5 digits while you're being ridiculous?


. . . and now you're engaging.

Church of the Long Now wins again.


please take this kind of 'engagement' back to twitter where it belongs


You've replied to the wrong person I suspect.


apologies, yes


No drama, footguns are easy mistakes to make.

I'm happy to expand for others; regardless of my feelings on the matter the Long Now use of a leading zero creates questions and engagement, thus spreading their message under the mantra of "there's no such thing as bad press" | "get the public talking".

It's an Advertising 101 strategy and not at all idiotic save perhaps at the surface of first exposure.


I've been reminded before that comparing hn commentary to reddit or other communities is itself a violation of hn guidelines. You can just upvote/downvote or "tap the sign" by posting the hn guidelines. No need for insinuating the redditization nor twitterization of hn commentary.


appreciated


some of us post hn comments containing analyses of source code from early versions of unix, results from tracing the execution of uxn 'left' and other text editors to estimate their power usage https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40842397, overviews of the historical development of cpu architecture https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40983675, simple explanations of the role that digital signal processing plays in modern mixed-signal systems https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40985558, quantitative analyses of the economic and technological impact of the renewable energy transition https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40725765 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40724305, assembly-language programs to clarify the role of associative arrays in computing https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40990055, analyses of mostly forgotten programming languages that python evolved from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40992191, examples of how to use the gnu units program for all kinds of things most people didn't know it could do https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36988917, comparative benchmarks of different compilers and interpreters https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40960819, system call traces to elucidate subtle concurrency bugs in unix https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40955923, close readings of federal court rulings placing them in historical context https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40950806, gui libraries we wrote ourselves https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40942566, simple workarounds for frustrating unix problems https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40911681, appreciation for others https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40950084, recipes for video streaming from the command line https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40911239, admissions of error with reproducible scripts for clearly showing we were wrong https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40912051, helpful tips for everyday command-line usage https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40910845, thanks to others for correcting our errors https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40911035, quantitative analyses of cutting-edge hardware https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40903708, admissions of error in our analyses of chinese export-control regulations https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40885691, simple explanations of cutting-edge computer security research https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40885329 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40841095, simple explanations of cutting-edge software testing tools https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40879952, and implementations in three lines of forth of things people think are impossible in forth https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40868981

and some of us say things like 'thats idiotic because thats 7000 years away'

these are two different kinds of discourse, and this website is only for one of them


It’s a pointless affectation that distracts from your technical content.

The evidence for your behavior being distracting/provocative is right here in this thread.


what distracts from my technical content is vacuous, aggressive replies to it by people who ask me to take responsibility for their behavior. no, thank you

to you too i ask: which of these two kinds of discourse are you engaging in right now?

if you're capable of the other one, i suggest you demonstrate that

your comment purports to be concerned with the objective qualities of mine: 'pointless', 'distracting', 'provocative'. but actually all of these terms are attempts to recast your subjective preferences as objective realities; all you're really writing about is how you feel when you read my comments. the implicit premise here is that other people ought to be writing their comments in order to satisfy your preferences

why? what makes you so admirable? what reason does anyone in the world have to value your opinion or consider your preferences important? if you want comments written to satisfy your preferences, write them yourself

as far as i can tell, like 38, gruturo, and spencerflem, you're just a person who harasses strangers on internet fora if you think they talk funny, then blames your own behavior on them

you want to know what i feel?

because it sure isn't admiration and eagerness to satisfy you

it's contempt


Why not 001982?

When are leading zeros in front of numbers particularly useful? Even in fixed column formats they're almost always left blank.


He doesn’t give sentient life more than until AD 99999 in this universe.


i fully support your choice to henceforth use two leading zeroes on your years or otherwise format your comments however you please


Dude, they've got a point, your style is annoying and not even right in a "technically correct" sorta way. You don't write things that happened 5 AD as 00005 AD.


which of these two kinds of discourse are you engaging in right now

if you're capable of the other one, i suggest you demonstrate that

dude


Personally, I can take the 0abcd style of years without going crazy, but it definitely derails my reading flow a bit. I would compare it to writing personal names without capitals, like donald trump.

But I also know that it is kragen commenting without looking at the header :)

I suppose everyone has their own quirks.


:)


Why not 3 or even 10 leading zeroes? Why so pessimistic?



The noughties!


You ought naught to propose such noughts!


When I sign up for a service, I don’t expect them to break the law on my behalf, regardless of their advertising.


I pay for both, use them for different things, but to be clear, fastmail does not have the encryption features that ProtonMail does. Not a direct replacement if you’re interested in the privacy aspects.


What encryption features? GPG works with any email provider.


I’ve used the iPhone app daily for almost 10 years at this point and it is reliable for me. What problems do you have?


One of the best TV shows of all time, I second your recommendation. Rare show that gets better with each season.


i don't know about that, the last 1 or to some extent the last 2 seasons were a bit lazy


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