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Hi I'm one of the founders of Outerbase, just want to clarify a few things, seems like you might have some wrong information on Outerbase.

Big fan of Mathesar by the way!

1. We have a incredibly powerful CRUD editor on our table, in fact you can drag and drop and select multiple columns & rows, I haven't seen many other DB editors support this.

2. We allow you to pick foreign key constraints from a dropdown as well.

3. This is true.

4. Outerbase is open-source with more and more features heading into our core offering there. https://github.com/outerbase/studio


My apologies burcs, I indeed missed your table creator UI and the subsequent "Edit table" view, those are quite nice!


It is everywhere these days, I mean it always has been, but now people are talking about.

Love the Turso team!


I heard you all will be joining a different union of sorts here soon enough.


I think it more likely we'll burn the White House down. Again.


Maybe the US will break up, and then some parts of the US will join Canada.

As big as the political problems the US has been having in recent years are, I don't think that's likely to happen in the short-to-medium term. But, if these problems just keep on getting worse, then eventually it may become a very real possibility.


Why not the reverse?

Peter Zeihan makes the case in one of his books for why Alberta should leave Canada and join the US. I’m not Canadian or American and have no dog in the fight, but it’s interesting reading.


I lived in Alberta for a few years.

While Alberta is often called “the Texas of Canada” there is not a single Albert a that would give up their healthcare to join the US. In many meaningful ways their standard of living would plummet overnight - healthcare, education, safety, violent crime, life expectancy, etc.


Why would violent crime go up?


USA vs Canada per capita

Rape: 16x higher

Total Crime: 5x higher

Murder rate: 3x higher

Prisoners per capita: 6x more

.. and it goes on

... would you want your community to change like that ?

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/Uni...


Why would the law-abiding people of Alberta become violent criminals just because they gained American citizenship?

And why would the US's existing violent criminals move to Alberta?

Violent crime in the US is not evenly distributed.


I think it's reasonable to presume that any territory added to a country will become the average of that country over time.

So the better question is actually why is the average American such a violent criminal compared to the average Canadian? Answer that and you will have answered your question.

Likely lack of healthcare (desperation), lack of affordable education, debt, need to fill for-profit prisons, corporate lobbying to make regular people's lives worse, etc. etc.

> Violent crime in the US is not evenly distributed.

Neither is it in Canada.

If you want to cherry pick the "best" of the US and leave out the worst from any comparisons, you'd have to do that for whatever country you're comparing it to.


You're missing the point, I think. The question the previous person was asking what would send all the criminality to that province?


> what would send all the criminality to that province?

Nothing would "send" criminality there, over time any place joining the USA would become the USA, and by definition it would become the average of the USA (because it will be a part of the USA)

A lot of people like to think a place will become the USA in all the perceived "good" ways like higher potential salaries, lower income taxes, more freedom, etc., but they fail to realize a place will also become the USA in all the ways that make the USA so vastly different from every other developed nation (healthcare, education, violence, crime, etc.)


But the average doesn't matter if you're in a place with low crime.


Of course it does! Those higher crime areas are using up limited time and money that could be better put to use making your life better, but instead it's being used to deal with all that crime and criminals.

Your live is measurably worse because of it.


Interestingly enough while the Canadian constitution doesn’t flat out permits this, it does allow the province to have a binding referendum and should a vote come to pass by it’s people, it forces the federal government to seriously consider it, thus a faithful negotiating can take place which could lead to the province becoming a sovereign nation.

See the Clarity Act of 1999.


And just like the decades of talk about Quebec doing it, it will never happen. Who is going to print money for this sovereign nation? And all the rest


I'd be down to switch things up and join Cascadia as a BC resident. Though the US can keep Oregon...


I've always joked about joining Europe because I feel we have more in common with them then our neighbour to the South, but recent comments from said neighbour's upcoming Führer have made the jokes just a tad more serious.


I don't know why anyone would willingly sign up for Carta these days.

Between this and the fact they got caught sharing private cap table data, it's like they're actively being hostile to their users.


The article pretty much explains why:

> “We switched from Carta to Diligent to try to reduce cost and it was a disaster. Switched back to Carta and will never leave again. It’s a 100x better product and keeps getting better,” posted Bill Smith, founder of Landing.

The 2 main issues that are discussed here actually don't seem like a big deal to me in the grand scheme of things:

1. While I think having to schedule a meeting to cancel is annoying, I think the issue in the article about not being able to have a meeting until after the renewal date seems like a pretty obvious bug to me in the sense that someone's calendar was hosed which is why cancellation meetings weren't available for so long. An f up to be sure, but this feels to me very like an unintended event that then gets amplified on Twitter/social media because the optics are so bad.

2. The cap data data issue was bad, but by all accounts Carta did an appropriate mea culpa, and in any case have gotten completely out of the "secondary market" market which was so problematic to begin with.

I don't mean to make this sound like I'm "letting them off the hook", but I'm just emphasizing that, in the business world, business leaders tend to look at things from much more of a direct cost/benefit analysis, and the pain points above just really aren't that big of a deal to most business leaders. Note that's considerably different compared to consumer products where people are much more likely to "rage quit".

And the fact is, everyone I know says Carta is excellent at their core functionality. As an employee with ISOs from multiple different companies that used Carta, I'd say that at least from the perspective of an employee equity holder that their product is very good.


Cap table data is one of those things that turns grown men into a bunch of high school gossipers. It is even more juicy information than salary data because most people know around how much money each position is paid in terms of salary. Stock ownership is a completely different story. Stock can be given to different employees at orders of magnitude differences depending on the position or stage that the employee joined at. I knew an employee who found out about another employee's stock grant amount. Once he found out, he refused to work hard at all because the other employee was "not as intelligent" or as senior as he was, yet he was granted 5x the stock because he joined earlier. It is no surprise that even outsiders of the company illegally share the data like high school gossipers.


They are still the most mature platform. Pulley seems to be catching up and is decent, but Carta has just been around longer.


Pulley had a big layoff recently. not sure what their finances are like or how long they will be around.


Bad leadership and rudderless product. I’d avoid like the plague if I were SWE/potential client.


Agreed. We deliberately avoided them and just used an old fashioned spreadsheet plus lawyers and it worked perfectly fine and wasn’t that expensive. Maybe if you’re huge but at 120 employees this still worked perfectly fine for us. I got really turned off when they started hinting they would use customer data to offer services on top. Sorry but I have no interest in sharing incredibly sensitive data like that to help possible competitors.


Can you provide a reference to some news articles or other details on Carta sharing private cap tables? How did this data leak?


It leaked to other people in the company, who were looking to use that information for a secondary market product that Carta had. Since they know everyone who owns stock in company X, they know exactly who to approach about selling stock in company X on their brand-new privately held company marketplace (without the companies permission). https://techcrunch.com/2024/01/07/carta-the-cap-table-manage... for more. After this was discovered and widely reported they sold their private secondary market to another company, because it was impossible to regain trust.

They are also involved in trading lawsuits with former exec turned whistleblower for two different people. https://medium.com/@jerrytalton/when-your-company-tries-to-c... is the former CTO's take on the situation. https://levyvinick.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/COMP-for-D... is the former VP of marketing's filed lawsuit, I can't find a blog post from her.


Thank you, this is very helpful.


It's actually mentioned in the article OP posted, but if you want to read more you can here: https://techcrunch.com/2024/01/07/carta-the-cap-table-manage...


Yes, I will add Linux support to the roadmap!


Would the browser version suffice? If not we support running commands like:

$ npx @outerbase/studio \ --port=5000 \ --user=admin --pass=123 \ mysql://root:123@localhost:3306/chinook


This is good feedback, we are working on adding in transaction support to the open source version. For what it's worth, our cloud product wraps everything in a transaction.


We support adjusting the JSON config file so you can update it with your credentials!

outerbase.json { "driver": "mysql", "connection": { "database": "chinook", "host": "localhost", "port": 3306, "user": "root", "password": "123456" } }


We could definitely do something like that, question for you if you've used any sort of AI -> SQL generator do you think it replaces the need for something like a visual builder? Or is it still nice to be able to construct them with visual blocks?


I have good experience in both and I will say that AI sql generators assume unambiguous data estate names and addition descriptions which is not common in large organizatuions.SQL AI is currently an academic exercise


Appreciate the kind words! Will dig into performance and see what we can do to further optimize it!


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