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Have you been? Or are you basing this on second-hand information?

Once. Was impressed by the human effort in general, little specifically stood out.

Worked in low voltage wiring through college. Have been a part of groups rallying behind large infrastructure projects; on farms, new office buildings, rapid response to weather related crisis (tornado alley). It's actually a very common human thing.

Been to many an art fair around the world and the minutiae of Burning Man blends right in.

Leave no trace while blowing fossil fuels into the air hauling tons of stuff to the desert. Nice loophole.


There's definitely a world where we need newer products, but not as many or as fast in iteration. My gaming PC has 128GB of RAM... And I built it years ago when RAM was laughably cheap. I still never touch the sides on it.

Ok sure, assuning your gaming machine lasts 5-10 years, what about everyone else who is born (or turns 18 or whatever) during that timespan?

Why do people want to generate jobs? I'd rather generate a jobless utopia where we all do art.

Because today the options are "jobs exist" or "people starve in the street".

Starvation is not a likely outcome from job loss in the western world.

homelessness and hunger is a real danger in the west. I got homeless in 2025... Extremely hard to get out.

Hate to break it to you but the average guy that does manual labour would more likely become a criminal than a musician if you deleted his job.

What's that saying about idle hands.

Jobs root people to their communities and give them purpose in life.


Scenario: It's Friday night. You don't have to work tomorrow. Are you more likely to pull out your hammer and chisel and work on a classical marble sculpture -or- get shit faced at a dive bar? Hey, maybe the vomit splatters will evoke Jackson Pollock!

Check out the etymology of “utopia”

Are you making art to fill that perceived gap, or just lodging your objection to people doing their own thing? No artist owes you a curriculum of your design.

I had a similar reaction to the headline. The idea that munitions 'suicide' doesn't seem novel enough to have it in the headline. We don't say suicide icbms, or suicide cruise missiles etc.

A drone isn't necessarily a munition.

Some carry things like air to air missiles or act as communications relays for other drones.

Some have multiple munitions.

Some are the munition.


You still wouldn't have nearly as many dollars if you subtracted the times those people were correct in that assumption. Personally I assumed the site would be global. It doesn't have any info though, so I rely on finding out somewhere else I guess.

> Personally I assumed the site would be global

The only reason you would assume a site would be global is if your definition of "global" is "works in the US" & you never bother to check for support of other countries. I live in the anglosphere outside of the US & I encounter more than enough US-only web projects for that not be to a default assumption I hold.

Most sites are not global - it's very odd to assume they would be.


Another reason could be that calling this OpenTrafficMap gives an impression that it is similar to OpenStreetMap, which is global.

Fun fact: OpenStreetMap started out with maps of only the UK. OpenTrafficMap does support data from all around the world.

OSM launched as a London / UK project. Even today, it's a lot more comprehensive in some parts of the world than others.

If I got the impression that it was like OSM, that would give me the impression that it is only as global as my contributions to it (which is what lead to OSM becoming global).


Expecting support globally is of course unreasonable. Expecting it to be designed to be somewhat location-agnostic for contributors and including some obvious docs (which could just be "coming soon" or "here's what we need to expand") is pretty reasonable to me.

I don't get why there isn't even a stub repo for a mobile app to contribute with. Or am I just not finding it?


The repos are there: https://codeberg.org/opentrafficmap

https://codeberg.org/opentrafficmap/its-g5-receiver: "Current ordering situation

(as of 2026-04-23)

After the talk on Grazer Linuxtage (media.ccc.de, youtube.com) we got many responses from people also wanting to buy this receiver. We fixed a few issues of the first revision and ordered 200pcs of Revision 2.

We expect the 200pcs to arrive in the first week of May, 2026. The cost of one complete receiver (excluding case and mechanical parts) is about 20 €.

If you want to purchase a receiver PCB, please contact us at the email liked in the Imprint/Impressum of opentrafficmap.org"


That's for a hardware receiver. It does not appear to have mobile app or API doc accompanyment or a doc on what is needed for expansion. I would imagine that there is a minimum critical mass and municipal buy-in for such devices to work. Theoretically, mobile apps would require far less barriers to start being useful.

It sounds like you have an idea/proposal for a separate (complimentary) product. It seems like a good idea - I'd like to see someone build that. But... this is not that.

Someone has some something cool here & people seem to be annoyed that they have not done something entirely different.


I tried getting it to generate openscad models, which seems much harder. Not had much joy yet with results.


G code and ascii art are also text formats, but seem to be beyond most if not all models.

(There are some that generate 3d models specifically, more in the image generation family than chatbot family.)


I don't agree with that assertion. Just because google maps has become one thing, doesn't excuse Apple maps flaws. They can exist on their merits.


For those unaware (spoiler follows) this is the reveal in the plot of 'Star Trek - The Motion Picture'.


First time in ages I sat through the credits!


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