I always wonder what GitHub has that Codeberg doesn't. It's a shame this isn't as popular. It seems like developers, of all people, are willingly letting their code be AI piggybacked.
For many it isn’t easy to just up and abandon what they built on GitHub, especially if they have a big community and open issues and PRs. Familiarity also plays a big role, you can’t simply expect to open an account on a different forge and be done, it consumes time to get acquainted with the new stuff. Also GitHub may give access to more resources: For example, you can just use GitHub actions in your repo, private or public; to use the equivalent on Codeberg you have to request access and be approved.
That and I don't feel as guilty putting my hare brained nonsensical half baked at best personal projects that nobody other than me will ever clone on GitHub.
> "They are so fanatical that many groups are unable to use them."
I had open-sourced stuff there licensed under Creative Commons, which was forcibly removed. They do spell the license requirements out in their terms, I just can't wrap my head around the obstinacy. Calling it unhelpful do-goodery would be flattering. Fanatical is indeed the right word.
> They are so fanatical that many groups are unable to use them.
> Coderberg is hostile towards private repos.
Disclaimer: I'm a member of Codeberg e.V., though not part of the presidium or any official representative position.
We're a non-profit (charitable) with the explicit goal of being host to free and open source projects.
We run on donations, donations that are made with that specific goal. Why should we provide storage and git hosting for proprietary projects? That is not and has not been the goal of the entire organization. Yeah, I guess that makes us unusable to many groups, technically. But Codeberg was founded for that specific purpose, after all we're a nonprofit, not a business.
If you want to host proprietary projects, Codeberg isn't the place for it and it doesn't want to be.
Also, no you won't be immediately banned if you make 3 private repositories. I myself have a few private repos, mostly projects that never got anywhere close to finished but also personal notes or my nginx server config.
Get real. It's a community project with limited resources. If they had the money for hosting I'm sure that would be offered for FOSS projects, which their bylaws requires to focus on.
A private repo doesn't cost more resources than a public one. The likeliest scenario is the exact opposite - popular public repos generate far more traffic and incur more costs.
Saying that as someone who keeps my open source projects primarily on codeberg: Getting access to Codeberg CI is a bureaucracy, it has outages due to DDOS attacks every other week and there are a good number of open source developers who are making non-negligible money via GH sponsors.
Sure, for my private projects I already run my own Gitea and Woodpecker CI (and my own docker registry, and my own Taiga server for project management, and my own baserow server to replace airtable, etc...) but the moment you say "just get a VPS to run this service that is available for free at $BIGCORP", you lost 90% of the potential users.
Is it really free, though? You get free service - MS gets everyone's code for free. Only a fool would believe that they don't use private repos for training.
And even if it was free, do you really believe it is sustainable to just offer unlimited service for free to anyone? They've created an environment where you're punished for using anything but github. This is not good.
You don't need to convince me, you need to convince the millions of people who prefer the convenience of "Free as in Beer SaaS" over the resilience and self-sufficiency that we get by hosting our own systems.
> I always wonder what GitHub has that Codeberg doesn't.
Aside from previously established dominance and associated network effects, a whole lot of individually little things which add up to a lot.
> It's a shame this isn't as popular. It seems like developers, of all people, are willingly letting their code be AI piggybacked.
So long as the AI firms operate under the assumption (and courts so far in the US at least seem inclined to favor this view) that training AI on copyright-protected material isn't infringement, any publicly-exposed code is going to be subject to AI piggybacking, not just code hosted on Github.
I really created a github account to star other people's project and my keepassxc had got deleted by me messing around in my linux so I had lost access to my codeberg previous account and I think even my previous github account too but I went around to create a new github account but never a new codeberg account untill just recently (literally 1 hour ago lol)
for me I could star a lot of projects and show support and there is even github donations. Its not as if I like github but I am giving my reasoning as to why I think the reason is that github won and codeberg hadn't.
There are still a lot of people which use codeberg but a lack of awareness is also one part and the lack of people on codeberg. To me, like, I thought that if my project is on codeberg then it would get less stars (I was really chasing stars back then lol) and it would get less visibility and less people contributing and so on I think...
Doesn't also help when you need a github account anyways to contribute to a git project in the sense that you ask them an issue.
IIRC I wanted to ask a github issue on some project and that's why I had created my original account but then started hosting some code between codeberg and github from exclusively codeberg to then all code on github...
Now I am starting to take back on that by hosting things on codeberg again from a fresh account.
If I was sufficiently motivated to leave GH for such idealistic reasons, it wouldn't be worth moving to another third-party host. That just means a few years later there will be some new idealistic reason to leave the new host, and I'll have to make the effort of switching all over again. If I ever leave GH, it'll be to self-hosting.
That is also a disadvantage, Github has a lot more grifters, people submitting fraudulent and malicious PRs, issues spam. In similar vain as "everybody is on windows" and Linux not being targeted by malware as often.
If a person really cares about your project and wants to improve it and not just boost their own GH stats - creating an account takes no time or they can always send you patches via email.
Worthless _to you_. Given that it's a free service, I think it's perfectly reasonable that they only want to host Free software. There are any number of other tools catering to businesses.
all the usual arguments. I get where he's coming from, I thought like this for a long time as well. I wouldn't pride myself in having sold all my bitcoins in 2016. I regret having dabbled in stuff like ethereum around that time when I could've just stuck with bitcoin. I just didn't see it. conflating the nft/dao/web3/shitcoin sphere with bitcoin vibe with me either. good luck to him with paper money, I'm going with bitcoin, come what will. I'm not on a mission, do what feels right. I'm not judging. just weirded out by the thought of someone not wanting OSS software of that sort to be hosted on their platform. where does it end? ban users who are active in that area outside of your platform? people are using postgres unethically to store illegal data, stolen pii and credit cards. tor is used for csam. I have difficulties understanding this line of thinking and it feels more like an ethical way to exclude a group of people you just don't like. could be totally wrong of course.
Wait really? is that the case, I didn't know that!
I actually went and found the source as I wanted to ask you but I felt like HN police might come saying to give a google search so I am going to paste it here to save someone else a google search but also here is the main thing
> Our mission is to support the creation and development of Free Software; therefore we only allow repos licensed under an OSI/FSF-approved license. For more details see Licensing article. However, we sometimes tolerate repositories that aren't perfectly licensed and focus on spreading awareness on the topic of improper FLOSS licensing and its issues.
Why would any adult give so much power to a few people over their project for what would be a few $$ at most in GitHub if not free.
The idea that I would choose a company because is from Europe instead of America, is kinda insane to be honest, I'm from Spain, Europe and my only peeve with products from America is that sometimes the cost to send products here is a bit too much for products like kinesis, aeron, books from nostarch, etc.
Good for Codeberg for giving the hosting service for free to FOSS projects, but there is no way I'm giving so much power to a few volunteers over my projects.
I wish GitHub would implement a feature to hide/private the projects I follow/star, that's the only thing I miss in GitHub.
I too would like to understand why. Perhaps the only one I care for is that I would not like to give too much power to Microsoft in choosing who can contribute.
Others have issue with their code being used in AI training, but I find no issue in that myself, my code is not exclusively mine anyway and I have no say in how it is being used.
I'm banned from GitHub because I didn't give them my mobile phone number, but I wouldn't switch to another provider that could easily do the exact same thing - "fool me twice"
No AI, EU based, so respects the GDPR for all users, regardless of where they live, you can send PRs to make it better, is 100% Free Software, has its own Actions system that is also 100% Free Software, the logo is nice, you can become a member of the Berlin based association and have a direct vote on policy/feature changes.
Definitely network effects. For work, when I am interested in finding whether the authors of a research paper put up their code somewhere, I often type github in the search query. There are some others, of course, but its the default location. I'll be looking into this one though. I'd never heard of it.
You can bring your own Woodpecker CI or Forgejo Actions runners. The cheapest solution is to just run them at home in a VM.
Codeberg is a community driven project, which provides CI for FOSS projects, and it's a bit unfair to expect them to provide free compute for random and/or private projects.
For what it's worth, I've had better experience with running self-hosted Forgejo Actions runners compared to self-hosted Github Actions runners.
It exists yes, but you need to request access to it (which is manually reviewed), comes with a bunch of restrictions and it’s a limited resource.
I have several projects I’d want to move over but thats enough of a barrier for me to lose interest. There’s also Forgejo Actions but I assume paying for your own runner is probably more expensive than GitHub.
You're missing the point. We want AI to piggyback on our open source code, because then thousands of developers around the world can piggyback on that AI. That AI is a boon for users, and is just as useful as documentation and a discussion forum.
Exactly my concerns as well. If we're indeed heading toward “ask AI first, humans later” model there's potential for a slippery slope—one that could be exploited depending on which regime happens to be in power. If politicians or special-interest groups can manipulate or curate AI-generated “opinions,” they could present those biased outputs as if they were genuine reflections of their constituents’ views. Over time, the line between authentic public sentiment and engineered AI propaganda could blur, undermining informed democratic debate.
I do broadly agree, but want to note that the ASML machines are not necessarily the bottleneck, or at least not the final bottleneck, and their valuation reflects that.
There’s a reason why only TSMC and to a lesser extent now Samsung and Intel are the only serious players in top-end semiconductors. You can’t just buy the machine and print chips, the amount of iterative tuning and know-how required to get good yields is immense. Weirdly, the actual bottleneck seems to be the availability of what can almost be described as “master craftsmanship”. But it’s not enough either to hire a couple of masters, it’s the collective institutional knowledge built up over >50 years.
And, of course, TSMC is not worth nearly as much as NVidia either even if they manufacture all their hardware.
Bottleneck for PRC likely equipment now. Shortly after US export controls, SMIC poached Jian Shanyi TSMC R&D Chief, he got SMIC to 7nm in like 2 years from mediocre 14nm - full node leap, i.e. 2 ~generations, before Intel and when Samsung 7nm was barely competent. This was before heavier equipment controls. In terms of producing "master craftsmanship" PRC seems fully capable, a lot of their fab technicians trained by TSMC/Samsung have taken over by now, and doing reasonable job of clawing their way to 5nm with DUV, i.e. they have the technical chops and east asian work ethic. Ultimately since raising semi to first-level dicipline, PRC currently the only major semi power without projected 100,000s talent shortfall in coming years. They have all the capable people... lots of state capacity to buy talent and espionage processes. They just need the machines.
Exactly this, as otherwise there would be nothing stopping ASML opening up its own competing fabs next door with their cutting edge machines 12 months before they sell them to their customers for maximum profits, the same way Bitcoin ASMIC mining companies did with their chips.
Or at least some Dutch/EU company in the area doing it, but nobody else can do what TSMC does at the cutting edge. For context, EU's most cutting edge fabs will be the Dresden TSMC one at 12nm.
We have a class of shawmans who knows how to speak the right incantations over the magic crystals during their formation which causes our machines to think and create value in the world.
Make it decentralized. You could implements atproto protocol by bluesky you could get some traction with publicity. Oh and by the way stay clear off anything hinting your political leaning (Make 'something' great again?).
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We need new ident protocol just for AI. I think that's part of Altman doing that orb thingy with iris scanner. It's creepy though and I'll never touch that things.
Nobody is anti-public-key crypto per se any more, the US government export control war ended long ago. It's just too much of a hassle to do the key management.
PKI is a pretty old idea. People were trying to deploy it in the 90s. It turns out that managing the issuing and authentication of keys, as well as keeping them secure and if necessary revoking them, is such a huge headache that few organizations have managed to do it properly. It might be possible to do better now with TPMs in laptops and phones; essentially this is why Apple Pay is now slightly more trusted than plastic cards.
And that most people have no idea how to verify any ID, so they need a system that turns any given form of ID into a nice and simple "yes" or "no".
I'm not at all clear what kind of ID is going to be genuinely useful for video calls, given we should only be trusting existing contacts anyway? But those things are why "private key" isn't sufficient in isolation.
Why couldn't a mobile app that everyone uses work for this. The person who wants to verify who they are uses the app, does digital signing and the other person gets notificatiom and the certification.
I'm not familiar with politics in Brazil but aren't the last guy that run the country some called him Brazil's Trump? From what I'm hear that guy is worst than the current guy which is from my perspective seems moderate. Any Brazilian care to clarify objectively?
Yes. Bolsonaro. The Trump from the Tropics as they call him.
The guy planned a violent coup and failed. He couldn't get the all military branches to back him, just one. There's plenty of evidence and a long list of crimes.
He knows he's going to jail and with him the dreams of the extreme right.
To me all of this sounds like the dying scream of a cornered beast.
I'm not quoting anyone. You can independently check all facts on the links I provided. They're not opinion pieces. They're just facts. There was an attempt to bomb an airport to create chaos. There were people blocking roads and camping on military bases asking for a coup. There was an invasion to the congress and to the SJ building by people asking for a military coup. There are confessions from military generals that Bolsonaro approached them to back his coup attempt. These are all facts available in plain sight for anyone to see.
>>> There was an invasion to the congress and to the SJ building by people asking for a military coup.
> Vandalism is not the same as a coup attempt.
Even the jailed people in the coup attempt confessed that their intent there was trying to prevent the elected president to govern, several of them were very vocal supporting a military dictatorship.
>>> There are confessions from military generals that Bolsonaro approached them to back his coup attempt.
> Lie. He approached them about declaring emergency state. This is a constitutional measure. Dilma did the same thing, by the way.
You are the one lying. Some people involved, like Tenent Mauro Cid and the army commander Marco Antônio Freire Gomes, delated Bolsonaro and confirmed the coup attempt.
What does this have to do with anything the former president did?
> Even the jailed people in the coup attempt confessed that their intent there was trying to prevent the elected president to govern
Really? How? With Brazilian flags and bibles?
> several of them were very vocal supporting a military dictatorship.
Vocal support of something does not make one guilty of a coup. There are many vocal supporters of a communist dictatorship in Brazil. Should they go to jail?
> Tenent Mauro Cid and the army commander Marco Antônio Freire Gomes, delated Bolsonaro and confirmed the coup attempt.
Didn't the supreme court recently say plea bargains were an instrument of torture in the 21st century? ;)
Mauro Cid also said in leaked conversations that he was forced talk about things he didn't know about and that the Supreme Court already has a sentence ready, before the end of the investigations. Multiple justices have given interviews about their conclusions before the judgement. Who is going to investigate this?
This whole thing is farce sustained by corrupt courts, corrupt media and bought out rubber stamp media.
> Is camping and asking for a thing a crime? What is the crime?
Article 286 - Inciting, publicly, the commission of a crime:
Penalty - imprisonment, from three to six months, or a fine.
Sole Paragraph. The same penalty applies to anyone who publicly incites animosity between the Armed Forces or between them and the constitutional powers, civil institutions, or society. (Included by Law No. 14,197, of 2021)
The current president is quite left wing, at least by US standards. He was also president before. Then was charged with corruption. Then the chargers were annulled. I don't think you are going to get particularly unbiased answers about him from a predominately US website.
The last guy certainly is brazilian trump. I wouldn't call him worse than this literal world touring champagne socialist though. Brazilian trump said a lot of profoundly stupid things but I think he did alright managing the economy despite the pandemic and russian war. Current guy is spending money like there's no tomorrow and basically undid any and all progress last guy made out of spite.
He's lying. Lula is corrupt? Of course he is. Just as corrupt as anyone that came before and after him. But he's far from being the biggest criminal. He's the first president in BR history to really narrow the gap of social inequality.
That's why the extreme right hates him and persecuted him until he was illegally jailed. He was so popular that they were afraid that he would be able to install a communist government in Brazil.
But Lula is just a populist. He's center left and friends with all big bankers. He's far from a communist. But he's no angel.
You're going to have to give some specific reason why though.
Why this would have anything to do with antitrust is not at all obvious to me. Especially when Google has been inventing and acquiring its own generative AI technology that it is competing with.
The OAI stake/deal is already under regulatory review and generally EU is perceived as blocking most large tech mergers since the iRobot intervention.
I suspect we are going to soon see political backlash against regulation in the EU as it is becoming very clear that this is causal to their bad capital markets.
> I suspect we are going to soon see political backlash against regulation in the EU as it is becoming very clear that this is causal to their bad capital markets.
Who would have thought that human rights are bad for business..
Nothing. But you probably don't see one located in Europe, because they would need to allow strikes, there is good level of minimum wage protection in general and strong privacy laws. It is harder to stalk the toilet breaks for employees.
I'm a fan of HAPS in general. Questions, out of many use cases why chose specifically in gas leakages detection? Are there any planning in the your pipeline to venture out into HAPS for internet?
