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I think this is really important. It would be very wrong to dismiss it with tone policing or other superficial commentary. The underlying point is that there are a lot of women in the technology industry who believe - rightly - that they are being mistreated.

That's not necessarily to say that the rest of us are doing it deliberately (although some undoubtedly are). But it's important to grow our own awareness and build more inclusive cultures at our startups, and continue to be aware, work on improving ourselves, and, more than anything else, listen.

I'm down with Uber for cats though. Maybe with VR and drones?



> It's not proposing anything other than taking your ball and leaving, which just makes it worse for the women who choose to stay.

I don't see how it makes thing worse for the women who choose to stay in existing environments. If the strategy of setting up organizations on the model proposed works, how concretely will it make things worse for women who choose to remain in other firms?

> Awareness is important, but this is an unproductive way to spread it.

I don't think this is an effort to spread awareness. I think this is an expression that spreading awareness has, from its author's (or authors') perspective, been done but that awareness hasn't translated into adequate improvements in substantive conditions, and that the way to improve substantive conditions is to build organizations that from day one lack the features that have produced the bad conditions that awareness has failed to cure.


I think that's more than fair, and I don't understand why anyone would have any problem with building better organizations. The response to "women are having a shitty time in the tech industry" should be "let's fix this and its root causes, because it will make our companies better," not a lot of the sexist knee-jerk reactions we've seen.


"because it will make our companies better" is an OK reason, I guess, but I prefer "because it is the right thing to do for our fellow human beings".


Go for both. Some people will be more motivated by doing the right thing, some will be more motivated by making more money. The two are compatible.

Yes, it would be nice if (all, or at least enough) people were motivated by "doing the right thing" to fix things. Human beings being what they are, though, money as a motivator works pretty well.


I strongly agree with you on a personal level, but I also think there's something to be said for a non-ideological brass tacks bottom line approach (particularly in a community like HN). I genuinely wish that the ideological reason played well everywhere, but I'm not sure it does.

As another commenter has said: both are good.


Please. I'd be happy to hear what steps you believe are more productive.

I'm kind of sick hearing men dismiss anything women (and other men!) are trying to do to raise awareness to these inequalities, as if they have nothing to do with it.

We (men) need to actively work to resolve gender inequalities in our workplaces and in any place, and the least we can do is be supportive allies. [1][2][3][4]

[1] - http://www.scn.org/friends/ally.html

[2] - http://everydayfeminism.com/2013/11/things-allies-need-to-kn....

[3] - http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Allies

[4] - http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Resources_for_allies


This is awesome: exactly the kind of simplicity the personal server market needs. I dropped you an email; really interested in making Known work with the platform.


Awesome, thank you. I'll reply to your email, but the answer is definitely yes!

I've created a number of SaaS services over the years and the pain of building a scaleable service shouldn't have to be repeated by every single app developer. It's a huge distraction from building a great app.

It shouldn't take much work to get Known running as a one-click auto-upgrading app, but I look forward to your feedback on the process. Thanks!


This seems kind of predatory from YouTube's perspective. This is the web: why can't Zoe publish her music on her own terms?

The real reason people use YouTube is discovery. I can easily find new stuff to watch, and just hit play; artists can easily be discovered and grow an audience (or at least, that's the idea). Seems like it's time for a more open alternative.


She can publish her own music on her own terms. She just can't do it with YouTube's help on her own terms.

Why should YouTube be obliged to meet a person on their arbitrarily chosen terms?


They shouldn't. But right now, YouTube is a huge part of being discoverable as an artist online. There should be more of an ecosystem; more competition would result in more favorable terms. And seeing as this is the web, an ecosystem should still be browseable as a coherent whole.

My wider point is: why isn't it as easy to discover an artist's work on the wider web as it is on YouTube? Isn't this an opportunity for someone?


You would think that! It turns out that when every artist, label, publisher, and retailer under the sun has the same idea... discovery isn't actually any easier. All you get is noise.

There was a huge and diverse ecosystem. It's mostly gone now. This for the most part works better for users, which is why that old ecosystem is mostly gone. As a rule, users don't want to bounce between five or ten or twenty sites to find what they want - users prefer one or two.

More specifically, there's a huge number of startups hellbent on being that someone. I've personally had contact with several. That you didn't know this is an excellent comment on how big the perceived opportunity actually is.


At this point, I don't believe it's possible to be in favor of civil liberties and work with contextual advertising.


It's funny - now that I'm building http://withknown.com/ at http://matter.vc/, I don't know how I'd answer this question.

Previously, I would have said that.

I'd love to spend six months on writing a novel. I've written simple novels before, but a serious book. I have ideas that I want to pursue, but they really would need my whole brain at length. Six months _might_ cover it.


What's your business model for Known? The reason I ask is explained here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8086694


I really love the "users first" stipulation. We're deliberately building a business that builds what we call respectful software.

I wrote something about those principles last year: http://benwerd.com/2013/05/24/respectful-software/

Known is either SaaS or a self-hosted software application, depending on your needs. As such, we're offering:

* SaaS subscriptions

* Support subscriptions for self-hosted users

* Enterprise support

* Software and support for deploying Known across organizations

* Customizations (eg integrations with learning management systems / enterprise software, etc)

In the future, we will offer:

* Direct sales of content to readers (think Bandcamp)

Right now we're not considering advertising or any kind of tracking-based model.


Nice. When I write up my take on Users First I'll send you a note.


Oh wow. Remember those "submit your link to these search engines" sites back in the late nineties / early 00s? Or "site of the day" sites?

What is old is new again.

Genuine question: how many of these sites (except for resources like Crunchbase) are actually visited by real people? I'd love for someone to test the impact of submitting to all of these.


You can use Alexa rank and other public metrics as a crude first-approximation of how many visitors a site gets. In my experience it's usually accurate to within an order of magnitude for sites that aren't incredibly big or incredibly small.

Here are the results for the first 10 domains on the list:

    domain                 daily visitors
    101bestwebsites        5,000
    aboutyourstartup       3,500
    alltopstartups         11,000
    alternativeto          1,750,000
    angel.co               500,000
    appappeal              15,000
    appmit                 400
    apps400                5,000
    appuseful              3,000
    appvita                6,000


I get this. Yes, you could use the GitHub issues board; no problem. But the issues there are not inviting, and it's non-obvious to newcomers if they should pick up a task.

Here you're inviting people - literally, "please, come help us with this" - and making it super-clear that they should jump in. I think there's more to do to make open source projects friendly (better, happier documentation, for a start), but I don't think this is a bad addition at all.

Also, waffles are tasty.


They're demoing this at NAB this week; it's a pretty stale show, filled with legacy tech, so this was one of the more interesting highlights (actual exchange with a sales engineer: "what kind of APIs do you have?" "what's an API?"). The text is definitely written for broadcast professionals.


I call it the "fog of war", and it's a signal that you need to get the hell out. Not all companies have it.


You absolutely should attend college. (But there's nothing wrong with taking a gap year first.)

The difference is between thinking about the now and the rest of your life. It's true that you'll probably draw a good salary from a front-end development job; you'll also keep up to date with technologies for quite some time. However, a degree, for better or for worse, is a gatekeeper for a great many things, which are very likely to be helpful later on.

If you're truly interested in these technologies, it's not like you'll lose your skills: you're very likely to keep working on front-end web development throughout your college career. But you'll also be earning a signal that you're a long-term thinker with a rounded education who can think strategically. $60-80k may seem like a great salary now, but eventually you'll be thinking about how to grow from that. Having a degree opens up many more positions to you, but also increases your surface area for new experiences, opportunities and ideas. In turn, that will open up your opportunities for freedom, self-determination, and simply making a larger impact in your field.

Hopefully, you can get scholarships to help with those college fees, but either way, because you can command a high salary as a developer, you'll be able to pay them off. They're worth it.

Gap years are good, though - I wish I'd taken one - and may help clarify your decision.

Finally, regarding those fees (and increasing your opportunity for new experiences), don't forget that you can go to college outside of the US.



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