Curious how this is going to affect Cursor - I'm assuming it'll just be a drop-in replacement and we can expect Cursor to get the same speed-up as VSCode.
Congrats on launching! Wish we had this years ago at Flexport for our ops / science teams. Traditional ML approaches are expensive, and the idea of defining your final shape of data and automating the ETL process is the best abstraction out there.
Glad to see people experiencing similar problems! We previously spend way too much time building and maintaining document processing pipeline that doesn't really scale.
I've been in the Marketing Technology space for over 14 years (SEO, Affiliate, Programmatic ad networks, Analytics, Email). Here are my thoughts:
* I agree with Rand that this change is happening and it heralds a big vhange. It is also worth reading his older analysis of just how few Google searches turn into a click.
* Marketers, in general, are not aware of these changes and are not planning ahead. We are still running the old playbooks of "pay for google ad, make a gated whitepaper with a form". The change is going to blindside many marketers.
* Email has been the trusty channel that just kept giving. But I think it's becoming oversaturated.
* Allocating budge to partnerships and influencer marketing: yes! The smart marketers are already doing this. Also: community building. Anything that creates an environment of trust & where people interact with experts. Communities will be the immediate place of refuge from all the GPT-generated noise that's killing search engines.
* Another traditionally smart move is to reallocate those Marketing dollars to Sales/cold outreach - but remember how I said that email is becoming over saturated? It's also impacting salespeople. When was the last time you replied to a cold email? Picked up the phone when an unknown number rang?
It's a time of massive change for Marketing, and things haven't shaken out yet. I'm curious to hear others' thoughts about what Marketing could look like in the future.
I'm also here to answer any other questions, either in this thread or through email (in profile)
> Allocating budge to partnerships and influencer marketing: yes! The smart marketers are already doing this. Also: community building. Anything that creates an environment of trust & where people interact with experts.
Ehhh... why does it always sound so dishonest when marketing people talk about these things? "community" is just a tool for you. "environment of trust" is just leverage to you. Alex Jones is an "expert" in the world of marketing, since he's selling some crap supplements.
You're just finding ways to pry open our brains, and everything is on the table. This post reads like an ad. Maybe it is? Maybe that's how you talk on daily basis?
With the caveat that I _don't_ have any particular insights into the solving the problem...
> I think they understand the situation and insights better than anyone.
> The current set of incentives and technology are why we are here.
> If there is a good alternative, they are also the ones likely to know it.
This reads a lot like "lets get the drunk drivers together to figure out how to make the roads safer". I mean, sure, they may have more knowledge about the causes.. but they've also made it very clear they don't care about making things better.
I think it's a big assumption assume an entire industry of professionals doesn't want to make things better. It's obvious they have multiple interests pulling at them from different sides. I'm sure quite often they have to make a compromised decision because the CEO wants something extremely stupid or invasive.
> I think it's a big assumption assume an entire industry of professionals doesn't want to make things better.
The industry has been making it very clear and overt for years now that what they consider "making things better" is directly opposite of what normal people consider "making things better".
The marketing industry only makes money by making things worse for us all. They are concerned, though, with finding out exactly how much worse things have to be before it starts interfering with their income streams.
>an entire industry of professionals doesn't want to make things better
Their industry is marketing. That's their profession. If they want to make it better, they should quit. They do not quit, ergo, they do not want to make it better.
I think that is a pretty simple caricature of how people operate. People have multiple competing desires and various incentives. Various definitions of better, which may not align with your own.
Given a offer of same pay and the ability to use the same skills, I think people would choose to to make things better instead of worse. That means they would like to make it better.
You are making a different absolutists claim, that any desire to make things better doesn't count if someone wont sacrifice everything for it.
This is by its nature a comparison, and not a statement about one things.
Keep in mind that this all in question of if people in marketing might have knowledge or insight about changes in advertising.
This is a very hostile, almost childish view. Online ads make it possible for many services to be essentially free or even possible in the first place.. I and many others gladly accept being shown ads in return for something we desire. Personalization is great too, It might be as well relevant to me.
There is nothing inherently bad in this situation. I've been watching youtube long before I had any money to spare on it.
This is a very hostile, almost childish view. In a great many cases (but not all) the free service with online ads outcompetes one that is provided without any income whatsoever, with someone's voluntary spare resources. By displacing the better service, the one with ads makes the world worse, and if it couldn't exist, the world would be better.
Im not sure that I directly attribute that to advertising itself, as much as upstream SEO choices.
I dont mind at all if a recipe includes commission links or ads. I hate that the optimal SEO format is to waste as much of the readers time as possible.
That said, I also see your point in how SE results have an incentive to bury valid non-commercial results.
Sure, they may or may not care. However, if you care, talking to them would be the best place to start.
There is a big difference between seeking the knowledge where it exists, and expecting the subject matter experts to solve the problem. This is doubly true when it is something you perceive as a problem and not them.
Curious - what do you guys use for the T step of your ELT? With nested blocks 12 layers deep, I can imagine it gets complicated to try to de-normalize using regular SQL.
Literally just had this idea 2 days ago - each TS agentic project feels like doing this stdlib work over and over again, but with a slightly differently architecture each time.
One question for our use case - what if a standard function requires bi-directional communication (as opposed to a single call to `generateText`)?
For one standard function, our envisioned interaction loop is:
Agent --> SSE to browser --> browser processes --> browser sends results back to server --> server sends to Agent --> Agent returns result
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