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Those don't usually have problems with providing ID for attestation??! Like, this is not a gotcha, at all?

The casual cynicism on this website really is something.


This comment makes no sense to me. As an individual user, opting out takes 24 hours and is much easier than rooting. Either your criticism is that this is prohibitive for too many users who aren't likely to care enough to ever root their phone (which might be fair, but your response doesn't fit) or it is that Google is locking down the ecosystem for some nefarious purpose (they're evidently not).

or it is that Google is locking down the ecosystem for some nefarious purpose (they're evidently not).

Most of the comments here seem to agree that they are. Some people have clearly been so brainwashed that they can't figure it out.


Yeah, that must be it. Everyone who doesn't agree with my simple world view is brainwashed. On the website that's 50% LLM glazing now.

Yeah I think I'm out of here.


Feel free. This is not airport. You Google apologists deserve brainwashed title.

This is great if you have IPv6 support from your ISP. Not so great if you don't.

Before someone mentions tunnels: Last time I tried to set up a tunnel Happy Eyeballs didn't work for me at all; almost everything went through the tunnel anyway and I had to deal with non-residential IP space issues and way too much traffic.


ISPs won't bother with IPv6 until they've either run out of IPv4 space or the internet starts to use IPv6's advantages.

Discussions about IPv6 quickly end with "we have enough v4 space and there are no services that require v6 anyway". As long as the extra cruft for v4 support remains free or even supported, large ISPs won't care. We're at the point where people need to deal with things like peer to peer connectivity with two sides behind CGNAT which require dedicated effort to even work.

I know it sucks if none of the ISPs in your area support IPv6 and you're left with suboptimal solutions like tunnels from HE, but I think it's only reasonable all this extra cost or effort becomes visible at some point. Half the world is on v6, legacy v4-only connections are becoming the minority now.


I have has native IPv6 since 2010, from two different ISPs.

It is also available for one of my phone contracts but not tried enabling it yet.


Well, you're very lucky (genuinely).

In 2025, I tried to access my services using IPv6 with 4G phones and different subscriptions (different ISPs), fact is, many (most?) of them did not support IPv6 at all :(

I had to revert to IPv4. And really I have nothing against IPv6, but yeah, as a simple user, self hosting a bunch of services for friends and family: it was simply just not possible to use only IPv6 :(

(for context, the 4G providers are French, in metropolitan France)


My phone contract that does offer IPv6 is with Free, I could not work out whether it would disable IPv4 if I enabled IPv6 so have not tried changing it.

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Super interesting, but the person you're responding to lives in France.

There is not a single ISP in my area that provides any IPv6 support whatsoever. This is also the case for many, many millions of others around the world.

Conversely, I had IPv6 for about 5 years from an ISP and when I switched providers, the new ISP was IPv4 only. A few years later and they now support IPv6, but my firewall setup is now IPv4 only, so I've not bothered to update it.

(exe.dev co-founder here)

We are not running out of IPv4 space because NAT works. The price of IPv4 addresses has been dropping for the last year.

I know this because I just bought another /22 for exe.dev for the exact thing described in this blog post: to get our business customers another 1012 VMs.


Yep. As sad as it is for p2p, NAT handles most uses cases for users, and SNI routing (or creative hacks like OP) handles most use cases for providers.

I was surprised how low IPv4 prices have gotten. Lowest since at least 2019.


Amazingly even most p2p works with NAT, see (and I am biased here) Tailscale.

I certainly wish we simply had more addresses. But v4 works.


Your NAT traversal article is amazing, but sadly the long tail (ha) means any production quality solution has to have relays, which is a huge complexity jump for people who just want to run some p2p app on their laptop.

And it's not clear it will ever be better than it is now with CGNAT on the rise.

Would love to hear I'm wrong about this.


Are there really ISPs that don't support IPv6? I've had IPv6 from various ISPs since around 2010, and even my phone gets an IPv6 address from the cellular network.

Yes and it's ANNOYING. In Switzerland there is literally not one cellular network that issues IPv6 addresses. Also my workplace network (a school using some sort of Microslop solution) doesn't issue IPv6es.

I have a IPv6-only VPN with some personal services. Theoretically, the data can be transported via IPv4, but Android doesn't even query AAAA records if it doesn't have a route for [::]/0. So when I'm not home, I can't reach my VPN servers, because there is supposedly no address.

(I fix it by routing all IPv6 traffic through my VPN. Just routing connectivitycheck may suffice though).


Anything Microsoft lacking V6 is configuration issue - ever since Vista, Windows networking (in corporate) treats v4-only as somewhat "degraded" configuration (some time ago there was even a funny news post about how Microsoft was forced to keep guest WiFi with enabled v4, having switched everything else to V6 only)

It varies in different parts of the world. Here in New Zealand all except one fixed line (i.e. fibre/xDSL) provider offers IPv6 (the only hold out being the ex-government telco). Wireless/mobile (4G/5G mobile or FWA) is a different story however as all wireless/mobile networks are IPv4 only still to this day (even thogh two of them are also fixed line providers offering IPv6 via their fixed line service!).

Bell Canada does not provide IPv6 to Internet customers but their cell network does support it. They're one of what we call "the big three".

https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-...

Looks like Canada has roughly 40% adoption, and USA roughly 50% adoption.


I complained as a yearly tradition for couple of years to get v6 enabled in my ISP. They had the core network enabled on World IPv6 Launch in 2012, but not deployed to end customers.

One simple way to check if your ISP have some kind of IPv6 netowork is to see if CDN domains given by YouTube and Facebook have AAAA records.

We shouldn't have to ask for ISPs to add IPv6 support but here we are.


I have the same issue with the shape of my ears not fitting any ANC headphones (and many larger over-ear ones). The only alternative to the APM I found that doesn't hurt after a few hours was the Sonos Ace. Which also have a price that hurts but at least they haven't broken yet while my APM kept breaking (and they're one of the few products where you can't infinitely renew Apple Care).

And even if it does, the mods don't have real control to moderate communities either, so you get the worst of both worlds. I don't go to most queer reddit communities anymore because a lot of them have bots that downvote trans-positive posts, even if the community is specifically meant to be inclusive. There's nothing to couple active participation to voting weight or anything of that kind and voting is not considered "brigading" by reddit if the coordination happens off-site (at least not in a way that'd lead to any enforcement action).

It's makes a great propaganda machine though, given humans have a tendency to measure their own opinions on social clues.


I still haven't been able to figure out how to make an account without it being immediately shadowbanned or normalbanned. Tried again the other day, it was something in between where logged-out users could see it was banned but I couldn't.

You need to ditch and replace all your devices and acquire a new phone number. I'm serious. Virtually all large websites these days employ a lot of fingerprinting and persistence technologies.

And yes, ditch them. Even well over a decade ago, Wikipedia of all places already employed IP address matching to link sockpuppet accounts. You must be extremely careful of never using any device that was associated with your old accounts on the same network as the devices associated with your new account. And that includes devices only seen by association.


> and acquire a new phone number

> Wikipedia of all places already employed IP address matching to link sockpuppet accounts

That’s… well, that’s just not how tcp/ip works. Your phone number has nothing to do with your device IP…


It does when your phone number is used for 2fa in a session running on tcp/ip

Phone numbers are available to many apps if they target older SDK versions and serve as an additional unique identifier.

It happens to all new accounts. It's known that new account are shadowbanned almost everywhere until they are 30 days old and farmed some karma on a very small set of subreddits that don't shadowban new accounts. It's shocking they ever get any new users, really; as far as a non-technical new user knows, nobody ever reads their comments for some reason.

It's full of bot slop pushing political propaganda, it's possible those bot farms have monetary agreements with Reddit to allow them to create accounts.

How contagious is it? Can I get other people banned from Reddit by logging into my instantly banned account on their wifi network?

Not that contagious, I'm afraid.

My boss uses Reddit some. I'm banned. At the shop, we use the same IP address (and we do not use ipv6 there).

I tried to log in with a ~10-year-old account that I'd never commented with. A perfect Beetlejuicing moment had arrived and I just wanted to play the game with a short, snarky comment.

It logged in fine, and then: Insta-ban, just like that. (Maybe I should have used a new browser on a new network that I've never used before, but whatever -- nothing of value was lost here.)

Meanwhile, the boss man's access continued unimpeded; this suggests that it is a rather targeted contagion.

And it seems to follow the systems, not the networks.

(If anyone wants banned, just let me know. I seem to have a well-poisoned system to play with.)


If you have some free time you could try making a GDPR request for explanation of automated processing.

Your concept is certainly is interesting to think about, and I think that is a clever approach with a high cromulence quotient. I like it quite a lot.

But in this world, the result of the approach would have no value to me. At the end of the day, Reddit is terrible. For me from my perspective, it can never be anything other than terrible. Studying its ways cannot redeem it, nor improve my life in any way. Seriously, fuck those guys.

So while I appreciate the suggestion, I must respectfully decline.

(Unless, of course, the result would be useful for others such as yourself. If that is the case then let me know and I may elect to spend some time on it.)


Just don't use apps. Then the only association is a discardable cookie and IP.

There’s also browser fingerprinting

There is a point where the increase in diversity of products is not real economic growth, it's compensating for lack of demand. We even invented the entire discipline of marketing to manufacture demand so the line can keep going up.

Is it nice we all can have cheap technology and knowledge-based jobs? Sure, to the point where you don't squeeze basic living necessities like housing or alienate me so hard from my cozy job that i literally don't give a shit (which is really unhealthy in a society that keeps telling us to define our worth based on our work output). I think we're well past that point.


If you need a reference measure of "Public Benefit Corporation", Anthropic is one too.

Typically? I mean sure, those spaces exist, but the typical "leftist space" is usually still drenched in rape culture, maybe with some pretense of not being so (ending up as a bad experience for everyone except the self-important people running it).

That's not even as close to as smart of a gotcha as you think it is.

Can you explain why? I am surprised this kind of discrimination is allowed, too. I know some discrimination is allowed like for hooters, etc but that is more on the hiring side not on the customer options side.

Because it's a legit safety concern not based on racism or bigotry.

Which are you referring to? /hj

Despite being only ~49% of the population, men commit:

Around 79-80% of violent crimes (based on victim perceptions of offenders in National Crime Victimization Survey data and arrest statistics for violent offenses).

80%+ of arrests for violent crimes in older FBI Uniform Crime Reports breakdowns (e.g., 80.1% in 2012 data, with consistent patterns in later years).

~88-90% of homicides/murders (e.g., 88% of known murder offenders in 2019 FBI data; similar in recent years where males dominate offender stats for murder).

How is this any different to "Despite making up only 13% of the population..." - https://knowyourmeme.com/sensitive/memes/despite-being-only-...


> How is this any different to "Despite making up only 13% of the population..."

It is not and that's why it is so hard to defend any kind of filtration based on gender.


Hence why instead they chose to just flag my comment to hide it since it couldn't be seriously addressed.

Everyone is dunking on this, but nobody is really answering why offering a filter based on race (or religion, for that matter) isn't OK, but filtering on gender is OK.

It's not primarily discrimination, though if you want to describe it as a side-effect, sure. We live in an imperfect world. Sexual assault is horrifyingly common and even normalized in banter in our culture.

Whereas "black crime" is generally not based on reliable statistics because of overpolicing and luring you into a car is not exactly the MO there either.


> (b) All persons within the jurisdiction of this state are free and equal, and no matter what their sex, race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, medical condition, genetic information, marital status, sexual orientation, citizenship, primary language, or immigration status are entitled to the full and equal accommodations, advantages, facilities, privileges, or services in all business establishments of every kind whatsoever.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...

I wonder what the implications of a woman driver denying a man using this filter would be...discrimination based on a protected class?


It has nothing do with smart, its just cold hard facts. You just to woke to see the contradiction.

except the "balls" used here would mean "eggs" if you apply "any x are fine"

Still, technically correct.

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