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He is bluffing trying to squeeze the shorts, no one rational can value it 82B unless it was waymo level tech.


This thought occurred to me as well. And if this really all is a bluff to raise the share price, and to buy his company a couple extra months of runway, it would be the marketing manipulation crime of the decade.

I'm talking Enron level stuff, where Musk gets sent to jail.

"Enron Musk" has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?


This is no bluff:

> Investor support is confirmed. Only reason why this is not certain is that it’s contingent on a shareholder vote.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1026914941004001280


Yes he is, Where do you get 66 billion $. Investor support dosen't mean he has the financing. Don't quote a tweet, get some real sources.

"And yet it also left many questions unanswered, namely how Musk -- who owns almost 20 percent of the company -- would be able to come up with the $66 billion necessary to complete the transaction. At $420 a share, Tesla would have an enterprise value of about $82 billion including debt. To take it private, the billionaire would have to pull off the largest leveraged buyout in history, surpassing Texas electric utility TXU’s in 2007."


That's an announcement from the CEO of Tesla. The details are still forthcoming but there is no greater source.

$66B is inaccurate, Tesla would only need to buy from the shareholders that wish to sell at $420.


You are saying it isn't a bluff with evidence from the potential bluffer.


He would be liable for Market manipulation and securities fraud if this was not true.


X would be guilty of fraud if this isn't true is only proof of its truth if you treat it as axiomatic that X would never commit fraud.



Clearly you haven't met the Saudis


Simple solution - mandate that drones are implemented with a parachute system, it's already being done on prop planes (cirrus)


A 20lb weight can kill a person from a far lower altitude than a parachute could meaningfully slow its descent. Parachutes aren’t magic.


Helicopters also have this "death zone" where an engine failure would not allow them to autorotate and have a controlled landing. And helicopters are a lot bigger and heavier.


Mosr cities don't have thousands of helicopters zipping by autonomously above our heads.


I wonder if an issue could be detected in most cases and the drone could immediately seek a safe landing, say on a building rooftop.


Admirable, sets a timeline for instant delivery systems


Why isn't a electric road or a overhead third rail a viable alternative to batteries? Batteries - become depleted, are expensive, heavy. With a grid - unlimited range, that can be supplemented by smaller batteries. Are there technical limitations more than cost.


I don't think there are significant technical limitations, it's really just cost and practicality.

Trams and busses and trains have been running off overhead lines for a long time, so it clearly works.

The main issues are that it doesn't obviously scale up (i.e. it works fine for a few trams, but not necessarily for thousands of cars filled with 1-2 occupants each) and it would be very expensive to roll out widely. Especially for last mile transport, where it basically becomes infeasible. There's just too much road.

Essentially, it is a viable alternative, but only where public transport is the major form of transportation. If people are still driving thousands of cars rather than taking the bus then it's impractical.


There is no technical reason why it can't be done[1], it isn't without its challenges though; How would you deal with the fact that roads are used by vehicles with wildly different heights? What about underpasses, is there enough space to fit the overhead wires? You would also need to make sure that vehicles in one place can connect to the grid on other places. It seems like overhead wires will probably be the best solution, but will only be implemented on highways for use on freight vehicles, not on cities or for personal vehicles.

Ground level power supply systems also exist[2], but would require you to tear up the entire road network in order to implement them, are expensive, and apparently prone to water clogging (which could perhaps be mitigated) without mentioning the fact that they would probably require either an autonomous or guided vehicle in order to reliably maintain contact with the rail.

So, not really, the limitations are mostly about cost and political capital.

[1]https://www.siemens.com/global/en/home/products/mobility/roa...

[2]http://www.alstom.com/products-services/product-catalogue/ra...


Your first point is already dealt with by electric railroads that run different height trains -- the wires are set at a level that the tallest train can fit under, and shorter trains have a higher pantograph to reach the wires. And since the pantograph is flexible, it can deal with varying wire heights.

Gaps in the wire for intersections and underpasses could be handled by having small battery packs in the cars. This also helps with the last-mile -- only large arterial roads need to be electrified and cars could drive the short distance on city streets on battery power.

One solution for in-road charging would be wireless inductive chargers like:

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/qualcomms-inductive-charg...

Though as you say, the real problems are price and politics. In the SF Bay Area, Caltrain has taken decades to get funding for electrification and has faced a lot of resistance from some communities for the construction and visual blight of overhead electrification. And that's just for one set of tracks, electrifying all of the freeways would be much worse.


Well, that was not really my point about height, I was just drawing attention at how ridiculous it would be to see, for example, a sedan (about 1.4 meters tall) connected to an overhead wire that is any where from 2.5 to 3 meters (about the height you would need to be able to pass a swap body) in the air.

Like I said, it is technologically possible, but for most intents and purposes seems like a wonky solution, at least for personal vehicles, mass transportation and freight are completely different scenarios.

As for the other points, you are right, there are fairly straight forward solutions.

Inductive charging is definitely a good option, which has already been explored by transport companies[1]. It again seems to be that politics and money are the main barrier for implementation.

[1]http://primove.bombardier.com/products/charging.html


It's not impossible, but:

1. It's expensive, and that cost doesn't work out when you have petroleum available as a fuel and can just carry your own energy supply around easily in a small tank under the passenger compartment. It probably still doesn't work out when you have coal, or coal-derived diesel, or vegetable-derived diesel, or "good enough" batteries, available, because those systems are simpler and don't have the funding problems (most of the cost is shifted to the user of the vehicle, which prevents the politically crippling cost of a public system).

2. When you finally designed a system, and standardized the vehicle heights and worked out all the other issues, I suspect you'd have reinvented electric trains. (Or some sort of essentially train-like system, or a system that's not advantageous enough over trains to warrant building it.)

Basically it's an idea that's pinched between existing technologies that are good enough in their current forms, and has an extremely high implementation cost. The risk-factored ROI just doesn't appear to be there.


The Boring Company has you covered, power supplied by the track:

https://www.geek.com/tech/musk-shares-first-image-of-boring-...

People are really underestimating the impact of lower cost tunneling.


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