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Like all things AI, this one's tricky.

Scam calls sounding "more legitimate" because it passes the (unfortunately racist) filters most people have.


In my case at least, (for support calls) it's not a "racist filter", it's that I sometimes simply cannot understand what they are saying.

I had a contractor group come highly recommended, but I literally had to focus so hard on each word that I couldn’t make it work. I don’t know where they were from but I heard easier to understand accents in Delhi.

I realized quickly how it was changing my thinking process to devote so much to each word.


Language fluency isn't racism.

Fluency is different from accent.

It's an interesting "problem". The cities we have now exist because businesses and people want to be located in the same geographical area to maximize, well, doing business.

Now the opposite is happening. Businesses have no incentive being located in the same physical area they do business in. In fact, they have opposite incentives. The closer they are to their customers and workers, the less they can do things with impunity.


(posting my comment from the other thread) Hilarious. How long does it take to vibecode the requests to change the logo and name. Vibecoding a port from scratch is super fast as long as you don't need permission huh. Then when the adults ask you to not infringe on copyright, it's all "please be patient guys. I am boy. Give me one week pls."

We have found the limits of agentic engineering. Changing a logo on a website apparently takes weeks.

Hilarious. How long does it take to vibecode the requests to change the logo and name. Vibecoding a port from scratch is super fast as long as you don't need permission huh. Then when the adults ask you to not infringe on copyright, it's all "please be patient guys. I am boy. Give me one week pls."

Our first exposure to Banksy was when we were hitting puberty. We probably thought they were subtle back then.

Not everyone on HN is still in their 20s.

Banksy has been active since the 90s, definitely already famous in the 00s

As shown by this savage Charlie Brooker takedown: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/sep/22/arts.v...

>Renegade urban graffiti artist Banksy is clearly a guffhead of massive proportions, yet he's often feted as a genius straddling the bleeding edge of now. Why? Because his work looks dazzlingly clever to idiots. And apparently that'll do.

- Creator of Black Mirror, 5 years before series premiere


This reads more puerile and jealous than savage.

It's got just the right mix of highbrow disdain, unironic self righteousness and naughty language to titillate the average guardian reader though.


Well yes, but so does Banksy :)

(Also, if you're familiar with Charlie Brooker's output, he's not really a 'highbrow' type. He started out in games journalism.)


Im familiar with who he is. At the time his claim to fame was coming up with Nathan Barley, which is why I suspected there was more than a little jealousy there.

He got more famous and acclaimed since black mirror.


I get the jealously part, but the highbrow part seems off to me. Brooker has always shown much more interest in distinctly lowbrow art forms such as video games. I don't think he is sneering at Banksy because he thinks we should be looking at the paintings of the Old Masters instead.

Right but he knows guardian readers think that and he's pandering to their snobbery with his comments about Banksy rolling around in the pop culture mud.

At the same time it's painfully obvious it riled him up being a more obscure and less famous equivalent of banksy.


Just disable everything AI by default bro.

the obsession on token discounts recently is pretty funny. If you extrapolate far enough you end up back to where we started, programming languages.

Hah, I think about this all the time. I think we subtly desire LLMs to be more and more deterministic and efficient. This is why one of the main uses of LLMs is building tools to make their job easier.

I made my own project, with one of the goals being discounting tokens, but found that the real goal was just ensuring quality and making things more programmatic.

https://ktext.dev

Basically ends up being agents.md in a schema driven yaml file. Thinking about extending it to also generate or replace skill.md.

I think the proliferation of markdown is cool, and lowers the barrier for entry, but it’s also very unpredictable and loose. I think over time we will drive these to be more like config files instead of free text.


Yeah, I wonder what kind of work people do that they need more than 500k or 1M context window.

Even when it's a big project, breaking it down doesn't change the output quality.


it's crazy, I have seen so many projects popping up just focusing on reducing token usage. At least caveman speak is funny!

Have to say that since we switched to our own model in a rented GPU, we stopped worrying about tokens and just use the hell out of our AI as much as we want :)


remember TOON? it killed JSON

/s just in case


The thing which is 98% JSON and absolutely didn't kill JSON?

Rich Hickey proven right again. (tongue-in-cheek reference to his Hammock Driven Development talk)

At $800B collective spend, you would hope these things are improving. The point is that have the improvements been worth $800B and counting.

I think part of the motivation for the big spend by the big players is to choke out Anthropic and OpenAI. They're going to make sure they're they only ones scaling up the huge capacity they expect is needed. To meet demand, Anthropic is just going to need to pay the cloud bill to somebody, which will really hamstring their ability to profit.

Yes for sure, even if we stopped today the amount of almost free software that can be produced with current models will improve the world by a lot as the knowledge of how to use it propagates over more people.

Can't wait to eat software for dinner

The problem with this argument is that it shouldn’t take years for these developments to come about anymore. The world is incredibly interconnected via the web - it also explains ChatGPT’s explosive growth. To claim people aren’t trying would be comical - where there’s an opportunity to generate economic profits competition for it will be intense.

The best we have external to model producers is cursor and openclaw lmao. The gap between hype and reality is disgustingly large.


I don't think you're correct. Just think of things like using any computer system in your business, like a spreadsheet to keep track of inventory. From the moment software for spreadsheets became available to most businesses using them, how many years went by? I knew businesses that should have computerized processes that didn't in like 2010. So if you just apply this knowledge that even basic good things take a long time to truly spread and permeate, even if the tech stopped advancing today, the current benefits will take years to fully materialize.

There's many "little software tools for X" that now any business owner with a few hours can create. I know many people improving their small businesses for free like this and helped a few friends making their lives easier with "small software" assisted by AI. People that would never afford 20 SaaS products for this and that, and would never go through the hassle of hiring someone to do it custom. And they will be able to do this even if the bubble pops and all the labs go bankrupt by just setting up a little gpu with a local model.

I dunno about hype, I just know I have several friends running self made custom software "in production" for small things and almost no help for their classic "offline" businesses.


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