It's a real dilemma, and it's forcing uncomfortable questions about how many dollars a person-year of life is worth.
We can avoid this terrible trade-off by realizing it's a false choice. We don't have to trade lives for GDP. There is a third option.
We could take a lesson from Singapore, Taiwan and Korea.
We could test millions of people, even those with no symptoms. We could aggressively isolate the positives, and allow the negatives to get on with life, with common sense disinfecting, physical distancing and universal mask wearing.
There is a path out of this dilemma, but in the US it's pretty difficult to execute in the absence of national leadership, with every neighborhood, town, city, county and state left on their own to figure this out.
It's too late for extensive testing. The US is analogous to someone who was just exposed to a massively lethal dose of radiation, but still mostly feels fine for now. The damage is already done, and it's going to start showing up regardless of what is done to prevent it.
Covid-19 has already massively spread in the US, and it's just a matter of days before large amounts of the population become symptomatic. It's too late to do anything about what's coming, and what's coming is going to be really bad.
> It's too late to do anything about what's coming
On one side we have health officials saying "for the love of god, keep the barriers up".
On the other, we have politicians saying "we waited as long as we can, send in as many people as we need to sweep up the supercritical plutonium, it 'won\'t make a difference now' if the PPE isn't there".
Again, with "quality" versus "quantity" it sounds like you're saying that there could be a lower quantity of people (some people die) in order to increase the quality of life for others.
If you're asking for my personal evaluation, yes, I believe that at a certain point, it's clearly worth trading quality of life for quantity of life. This applies to my own life. For example, I would rather take a 50% chance at survival versus living the rest of my life in abject poverty and emotional turmoil.
I'm going to guess that you're no where near having to actually make that decision for your self, thus you're comfortable making that statement on behalf of others.
I only speak for myself and would feel uncomfortable enforcing my values on others. That's why my comment posed this more as an open question and discussion.
You seem to be aggressively avoiding any critical thinking, so here's a thought game for you to play:
You have two choices:
1: 0% chance of dying from Covid-19, but you lose your job, you're evicted from your home, and have no clear path back to normalcy for the foreseeable future.
2: 3% chance of dying from Covid-19, but you still have a job, a home, and a fairly normal life.
This is the choice being made for millions of people in the world without their input. It's not so black and white as you want to make it out to be.
World War 2 killed only 0.3% of Americans. When 3% of Americans die, you will lose your job, there's a very good chance you will lose your home, and good luck having a normal life.
Losing 3% of Americans, spread equally throughout the population, would be bad for the economy. Losing 20% of retirees, though... That would be fantastic for the US economy.
And guess what? Covid-19 kills mostly retirees.
So no, they probably wouldn't be losing their job in that scenario, unless of course their job is to take care of the old in some way.
I really don't get what the point of your argument here is. It's such a bad comparison.
The US came out of WW2 with an amazing economy.
Also this isn't a war.
And your augment is openly self defeating, since it takes 5 seconds to find out that 3% of the world population died in WW2, and slightly more than a minute to find out that 12.7% of the Russian population died - only for them to become a world super power immediately after the end of the war.
Are you arguing for bringing the economy back online?
There's no free win option here. Every choice has its cost.
That social support system has to come from taking a slice out of the economy. And who is going to be paying for that social support system while the economy is shut down? There's no god of socialism who will simply rain infinite amounts of manna upon us in the form of debt just because we will it to happen.
> That social support system has to come from taking a slice out of the economy. And who is going to be paying for that social support system while the economy is shut down? There's no god of socialism who will simply rain infinite amounts of manna upon us in the form of debt just because we will it to happen.
Surely, you're aware that we're currently printing money hand-over-fist, to help corporations make ends meet in the short-term? We've already printed 1.7 trillion dollars, for this purpose, and that was entirely at the discretion of the Fed.
When the dust settles, and QE ends, many of those loans will not be made good on.
If a stroke of a pen by an unelected bureaucrat can parachute 1.7 trillion in corporate bailouts, surely, we can figure out how to make grocery bills for a few months.
Helicopter money is fine if it exists to prop up the market. And if it vanishes ~30 minutes after we put it in, who gives a toss?
Helicopter money is never acceptable if it is sent directly to households to ensure they keep spending. It's far preferable to allow the machine to seize up without oil.
This contradiction is somehow the bedrock of American fiscal policy.
There haven't been any bailouts issued yet. Congress is still in the process of working out what the stimulus bill is going to look like.
You're referring to overnight loans made by the federal reserve to facilitate liquidity in the market. If you're not aware of the significance of the difference, this isn't the appropriate place to go over it.
Regardless, the stimulus package is going to have some form of social support in it. My point is just that it's not going to be a free win, it's more of a least bad option at this point. There's going to be long term economic and social damage from this even with the most generous of social support offerings.
That was a separate news story from a couple weeks ago. "Late Upper Paleolithic occupation at Cooper’s Ferry, Idaho, USA, ~16,000 years ago" "The stemmed projectile points closely resemble those found in Upper Paleolithic Japan, also supporting the hypothesis of a coastal route."
The US also broke up Ma Bell in 1956, forcing the spinoff of Bell Canada and Caribbean operations, and before that in 1925, breaking off other international operations into ITT.
I think that's called interacting with people over the normal course of business, and isn't something that's thought of as requiring specific targeted effort.
Correctly or not, the term "networking" has come to carry a connotation of attending "networking events" and passing out business cards with great abandon. I meet and keep in touch with tons of people at conferences and otherwise in the course of my daily activities but I don't really think of that as Networking.
Even during the cold war, Americans did business with Russia. No large computers or munitions, but Americans still ate Russian caviar. There was this call to boycott it at the same time as the Moscow olympics, but I don't think anyone called it "treason". https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1980/01/31/...
> Even during the cold war, Americans did business with Russia
ie A false equivalence.
Me selling flags to Russians is doing business. That has nothing to do with the issue of what constitutes or can be construed as Treason which is certain kinds of business that ally against national interests.
The bug does not exist on El Capitan. Your description tells me you already had the root user enabled with no password (which is something you can do with Directory Utility.app)
In the late 90s, my high school used a system called NovaNET, which was based on PLATO. It was used for individual learning, special education, etc. I learned a bit of Russian with it, other kids did remedial math and English, and some just played games. It used a Windows client to connect to the NovaNET "mainframe"(?), had some color graphics, and supported Cyrillic. It only shut down in 2015: http://www.platohistory.org/blog/2015/08/august-31-2015-the-...
