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On your setup.

Firefox does not only not prompt me for updates (it only updates if I manually run an update), even if I do update with Firefox running, it does not stop me from continuing to use Firefox without restarting it. All I did was install Firefox from flathub (packaged by Mozilla (a default configuration provided by Mozilla)).


I am running Firefox Developer Edition on macOS, where it is the default option. Have to set "Check for updates, but choose when to install" to get the similar behavior.

Oh that's awesome. I'll have to check this out when I'm on my desktop later :)

Unauthorized copying*

> Humans shouldn't exercise abusive impulses in general

This is an act of aligning humans to AI, rather than the other way around. This is probably one of the more important reasons for this. It normalizes AI companies controlling human behavior.


No, this is humans aligning humans to humans.

The aligning (controlling) humans is the important part.

Yeah fer sure bro. Same reason paychecks, codes of conduct, laws, street signs, social norms, and restaurant menus are s i n i s t e r

All about aligning (controlling) humans.


Yes, it's totally normal to suggest corporations should have similar powers to elected representatives passing laws. Nothing to see here.

Well thank you for making an argument so transparently bad faith and ridiculous that no one would find it compelling!

It is an act of aligning humans to social norm.

I think a lot of people would agree that that viewpoint is more a case of humans aligning to humans.

what about this reply sounds like sarcasm?

I misread the thing be was replying to and thereby misinterpreted his reply. I've missed the comment deletion window though.

While it's unlikely for LLMs to implement patterns not present in their training, current training techniques absolutely can produce practices and data structures and algorithms that humans have never done before. Modern LLMs are not just trained on text. They are trained on computer use, including - at a high level - solving programming problems with code. They are not just rewarded for producing the most likely next token. They are rewarded for producing tokens that solve problems. Patterns and techniques can emerge from this that are not present in any human behavior.

Yes, but in some fashion, all the outputs are mathematical convolutions of the training, plus whatever is packed into context.

They are rewarded for code compiling, thats about it. Thats why the code is terrible. Ive yet to look at a project made by an llm whos user swore this "frontier model is the one", where the code wasnt utter garbage. The heavy llm users dont care as long as it compiles.

Computers are operated to (either through command or through training) make decisions. Liability for the consequences of the decisions obviously lies on the operator of the computer that made the decisions. Or at least that should be obvious.

Look longer :)

> One thing I've seen with LLMs that I've not seen with any other emergent technology is the level of backlash against it.

Blockchain and other cryptocurrency related technologies?


I'm pretty sure that an average person has no idea what blockchain is.

The average person has no idea what LLMs are. The average person (in the west at least) has heard of and has an opinion on ChatGPT and Bitcoin.

> If you think of LLMs as statistically averaging machines and think of human programmer skill as a bell curve ...

The problem with this view is that in the scale of LLM progress, this is essentially accurate understanding of archaic models. Modern models are not trained to program using human generated code. They are trained in agentic harnesses where they are able to access real computing environments, and they are rewarded for completing tasks within that environment. This is in contrast the being rewarded for the most likely next token, which used to create essentially an average of human output like you say. Modern training frameworks are able to comfortably produce models that perform well above the center of the bell curve.


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