I know that having parents who cared about my education (and were in a position to actively participate in it) was a privilege and not a given, but where are the parents in this situation? Do we just accept that an 11 year-old watches squid game, has unrestricted access to chatgpt and does all their school work without any oversight at all? Clearly this kid is not receiving the guidance it needs. Or any guidance really.
Unrestricted access to the internet might occur much earlier than 11 in the life of a child, at age 2 many children are given tablets with youtube videos or videogames, it's all a slow transition from there.
The tablet doesn't work so you let them watch youtube on the PC
They find some games on the PC
They get bored of the games of the PC so they pirate some cool games
They get sophisticated in removing DRM so they install linux
They become programmers or influencers.
It's the pipeline that we know of, but there's probably a lot of pipelines into influencers, gamblers, onlyfans models, brainrot consumers, etc...
My parents cared but they just weren't educated enough themselves to offer any good advice.
I would say I basically received no guidance my entire childhood on anything important. Not because my parents were delinquents but they simply had nothing to offer.
If was in middle school, there is no way my parents would be able to police the use of chatGPT. They wouldn't think it is good or bad, they would just not understand what is going on.
I have thought about that many times. It is unimaginable to have received good advice growing up and not have to figure out everything for myself, fixing all these mistakes. What an advantage.
What kind of guidance does 11 year old need for homework? Me and my siblings were doing all of it independently pretty much from the start, parents were only involved if there was some tough nut that we needed help with.
I think o1 will keep them going for a while. You don’t need to be economical to keep investors interested as long as the tech progresses, and if their new test-time compute scaling holds true for another magnitude or two they can just crank up the processing time to impress people whenever they need to raise more money.
In addition, with the rollout of their realtime api we’re going to see a whole bunch of customer service focused products crop up, further demonstrating how this can generate value right now.
So I really don’t think they’re running out of steam at all.
> anyone with fair knowledge of LLMs and E/R should be able to devise it.
While this may be true, I think it overlooks a really important aspect. Current LLMs could be very useful in many workflows if someone does the grunt work of properly integrating it. That’s not necessarily complicated, but it is quite a bit of work.
I don’t think we’ll hit a capabilities wall anytime soon, but if we do, we’ll still have years of work to do, to properly make use of everything llms have to offer today.
This grunt wall is these 10-20% that the model gets wrong, or just misbehaves. And it can be lotta struggle. I'm not talking about easy stuff like writting a letter to customer, but classification and text2code, which is hard
Stating this after just finished my long overdue masters and the topic was text2sql with a pinch of my own thing. Hundreds of papers are written on this topic, and only when complex agents, multi-prompting + actual discreete systems play together things start ot work. So just tossing all in the context is not a solution.
In practice, I agree, the llms have their role in software, as classifier, graphics segmentation, code assist, etc. But it is very wrong to put all eggs in the same basket, and this basket is very very very shade one.
I can confidently say that a car would be useless to me without gps. I can navigate the small town (10k people) I grew up in, but that’s it. I wouldn’t try to navigate the city I live in now (~350k people) in a car, beyond the street I live on.
If I had to and knew gps was broken (hypothetically), then I’d try to reschedule, instead of attempting to navigate with signs and a paper map.
I could probably work with printed turn by turn instructions, but that’s about it.
And I think that probably comes close to what the other post had in mind with „cannot navigate“
You are in for a fun adventure, if you have an afternoon to yourself and no particular destination. My grandmother always began our day trips that way, in her shiny Buick. Remember to stop to rest.
That's unfathomable to me. I live in a 1kk metropolitan area and I can go basically anywhere without a navigation system, in fact I'll only pull the GPS if I'm going to some remote neighborhood.
GPS is super-convenient when you're in an unfamiliar area. I sometimes catch myself thinking how did we ever get along without it. But we did. You just looked at a map before you set off, noted street names and turns, and paid attention. You would do the same thing and manage pretty well if you had to.
Of course it's convenient. But I learned to drive before we had it, and learned to find my way around without it. Maps helped, but you can do a lot with logic and by understanding direction.
Lots of people don't live in walkable cities. There's no realistic way they'd get to where they're going by walking. They might walk their neighborhood and know that, but these days lots of people don't even bother walking around their neighborhood.
So they'll end up driving everywhere they go. Work, groceries, restaurants, etc. Always driving. Many won't go down paths that weren't previously suggested by their GPS. And often those destinations aren't designed to be walkable either. Massive parking lots separating the various storefronts. Corporate campuses completely surrounded by a sea of parking lots and garages. Nowhere to walk.
That said, there's still exploring possible in a car-centric place. I tend to take alternate paths to get places, purposefully "get lost" driving around, and explore places I've never been before. But that has costs and lots of people don't bother doing that.
I do, but only for things in my immediate area. Stuff like grocery shopping, haircuts, doctors appointments, etc. Those are all reachable on foot and I know how to get there, because I do it regularly. But the first few times I used gps to find it. Now I know the route.
But that doesn’t help me for anything beyond that radius and probably not even there, because those routes go through parks and other stuff, so the car routes would be different.
Do you have a source for this? Dog attacks being more common than car accidents seems extremely unlikely to me, given how prevalent car accidents are.
I really wouldn't expect a cellphone ban for students to result in a significant rise of delayed treatment for injuries caused specifically by dog attacks.
Even if dogs attacking students is such a common occurrence that it warrants consideration in this proposal (which I doubt), it's still a school. Teachers and other staff are around. Just have them call emergency services in case of injuries.
Sniffing and licking are not “attacks”. If they are, a car honking or braking suddenly is a crash.
> If students have no cameras, many more teachers would bring their "pets" into school
How many teachers brought pets to school before the 2000s? How many people brought pets to the office? (If anything, there are more pets at the workplace now than ever before.)
The taking of a cell phone seems to have emotionally provoked you. Reflecting on why you’re responding to a phone like a crack pipe might be a better use of your time than pretending to have a phobia of dog licks.
> why my kid needs recorder, many abusers try to down play such attacks!
Have you ever had anyone in a position of authority do anything about a dog sniffing or licking your kid? Because if so, that’s national-news level hilarious.
