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Wow, you seem very upset. I suggest going for a walk. Take a couple deep breaths. Calm down. It's just a browser.

By the way, what sites do you work on? I'd like to make sure to avoid them.


Please don't respond to a bad comment with another one. That just makes the thread worse. Doubly so for personal attacks, which are a bannable offence on HN.


What was so bad about my comment? Saying that I don’t support Mozilla/Firefox or just not being anti-Google enough?

Also, the guy that you’re responding to simply said that I seemed angry. How is that a personal attack? Somebody else responded that I’m ruining the Internet and somehow that’s not flagged?


"You seem very upset", "I suggest going for a walk", "Take a couple deep breaths", "Calm down", and even "It's just a browser" are patronizing personal comments that cross into insulting. Even worse, "By the way, what sites do you work on? I'd like to make sure to avoid them." is an ugly personal attack. I'm delighted that you didn't take offense at any of that, but that puts you above the 99th percentile of non-offense-taking. We can't pitch moderation at that level!

I wish it were obvious, but no, we don't care (I mean we really don't care) whether HN users support Mozilla or Firefox or Google or hate them. The only thing we care about [1] is whether the stories and comments on this site gratify intellectual curiosity. Most for-or-against rants of that nature don't have much curiosity in them. They're more like sports fans yelling at each other. That's great in its way! It's something to do. It gets juices flowing. But it's not really the kind of discussion we're going for here. By the way, although I don't frequent sports fan sites, I'd bet a lot of money that users there feel like the mods are biased against their team.

To be honest, I didn't really think your comment was that bad. It broke the site guidelines by being a name-calling rant. But it was so over-the-top that to me it felt more exuberant than mean, and that's actually not the kind of thing we're trying to eliminate here. Meanness is. The reason I didn't spell this out in my reply to Shaaaaaaare is that their comment really did break the site guidelines badly, and this is much too subtle a distinction to have gone into in that context. Much better to say: even if the other comment was really bad, you still can't post like this. In other words, two wrongs don't make a right, just as mothers have always said.

1. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20186280 and https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...


Thank you so much for your detailed and thoughtful response.


Looks interesting but too bad it only supports overpriced macs making it useless


Unfortunately Google both supports and recommends this. Recently they've even made it easy for apps to automatically ignore any custom certificates added to the trust store, so they don't even have to bother to implement pinning.


Yeah, I'm honestly not surprised. Apologies for the cynicism, but sometimes I wonder if the pushes for HTTPS-everywhere, certificate transparency and DoH are really more for the privacy of app developers instead of the privacy of users...


If you care about the privacy of users, you need software that the user controls, not the developer. Therefore free software.


Supply-side economics is and always will be dominant.


Understandable position for them to take when you have the likes of Facebook / Onavo etc pushing VPNs and root certificates on uninformed users for "research".


Those huge ranks aren't monthly, they're over the lifetime of an application.


Copied, not stolen.


This argument might hold up weight in some people's eyes when you're pirating commercially available music.

This wasn't in public circulation; I find it much harder to validate the view that this wasn't a theft.


That doesn't compute in the eyes of the "law".


in "the eyes of the law" the charge would not be theft either


Is that because they do not have any tiny computers in their eyes or anything?


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