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I'm really enjoying Arc Browser lately. They thought of many small things that don't seem to be revolutionary on the surface but that make life easier, like their bookmarks/folders structure, spaces, Easels that I surprisingly use for visual bookmarking or drafting ideas or moodboards. Plus each interaction is well polished, you can see the team poured their hearts and souls into this project.


how's it looking on Windows?


Not as good as on Mac. It doesn't seem to have the same scope of settings configurable, and there are a few UI differences that seem unnecessary and marginally worse, such as putting the URL and "Site Control Center" thingy on top instead of with the left panel, as on Mac.

I still recommend though, fwiw.


aaaaaand it's free and live on the Chrome Web Store


Why would an average customer want to download apps from who knows where instead of an App Store? Hey started this whole drama, they clearly did not even follow the guidelines. Why is it so hard to follow the guidelines to provide a better experience for the end user?


This is a bit subjective, but IMO the guidelines don't provide a better end user experience. Sure, some of them do. But decisions like banning apps that compete with Apple don't seem to be done to help the end user

If the guidelines are actually good for the end user, why does Apple violate so many of the app store guidelines in their own apps?


I'm curious if Apple banning competing apps is a real thing or just something media/haters created to create drama. I don't have an insider looks, so I honestly cannot know how those things go down. Do you happen to know any specific details? Genuinely curious :D


It's a real thing. Take f.lux: they spearheaded a feature, were never allowed onto iOS, then Apple developed a copycat feature.

Or the browser: there is no technical reason for stopping alternative browsers from getting onto iOS, but it would make Safari commercially irrelevant.


> Take f.lux: they spearheaded a feature, were never allowed onto iOS, then Apple developed a copycat feature.

I love the subjective memory / interpretation here. Apple didn’t block f.lux, there was no API available on iOS for it to work. Apple decided rather than provide a public API method, they’d just provide the feature itself. Sucks for f.lux, but far less than it did for LumaDisplay and Sidecar.

> there is no technical reason for stopping alternative browsers from getting onto iOS

1) alternative browsers exist on iOS. Chrome for example! Sure, you’d be fair to say “not real Chrome”, but then see point 2

2) the technical reason you claim doesn’t exist very much does. Web browsers require the ability to have dynamic code execution from untrusted sources. Look at all the OS compromises historically from browser bugs and you can potentially understand why Apple wants to try to exert control there. The counter argument of course is that Apple has also failed here, there’s been multiple jailbreaks which could be triggered by visiting a webpage, but I see Apple using that to justify their actions further (if even we can’t get it right always, no way others will). I’m not claiming that parenthetical mentality is justified, but it likely plays a part in what Apple thinks.


I think the selective memory is not just mine... f.lux was working on iOS in 2011. Sure, they used a private API not allowed in appstore, but it worked fine - a whole 5 years before Apple released its copycat version.

As for the browser: dynamic code execution is a red herring - there are plenty of runtimes like python available on the appstore, and they execute all sorts of crap just fine. Modern browser engines are sandboxed so hard, they are equivalent to (or better than) anything you find in an OS. The security angle nowadays is just a flimsy excuse to keep Safari (the IE6 of our times) from becoming utterly irrelevant overnight.


>> there was no API available on iOS

> they used a private API not allowed in appstore

So how did I have selective memory again?


private API != no API


private API != available API

(Will not reply to this thread further as it appears you aren’t debating in good faith)


Because an app is not legal in your country (ex: encrypted messaging) or because it is some app from some small developer or because you don't want to accept Apple iCloud's Terms of Service.


Through the App Store Apple make sure IOS apps are high quality, which won't be possible if developers start publishing apps all over the place. The fee is too high, that's a fact and that's the problem. The fact that you cannot download apps outside of the App Store is not the problem


It's worth it to be able to download actual Firefox / Chrome / PPSSPP / PornHub / etc on iOS since Apple bans them for no reason


So exactly what would a Pornhub app do that you can’t do from the website?

Can I buy porn from most mainstream retailers?


It would depend on your definition of porn of course, but at least in Germany you can get pornographic magazines at lots of kiosks/stores, especially the bigger ones


I’m really trying to be respectful and being careful about the rabbit hole that this question could go down....

But by “porn” do you mean Playboy level nudity or more hard core?


In most European countries, hardcore is typically on sale anywhere you can buy a newspaper or magazine.


It’s definitely not like that in the US.


> So exactly what would a Pornhub app do that you can’t do from the website?

Well, we don't know. But porn has historically been at the forefront of digital technology, so maybe some investment in sectors like AR and VR is being held back by the fact that Apple would never allow porn-related apps.


We should know because Android is much more open and they would have the opportunity to create their dream app. Where are the great porn apps for Android?


It's well-known that the real money in apps is in iOS, which dominates the top-end of the market. The AppStore makes much more profit than the Play Store despite being on 1 device for every 4 Android ones. In that situation, if you have no access to the most lucrative audience, it makes sense not to invest into apps at all.

It's also not trivial to install Android apps outside the Play Store, for non-geeks.


We are talking about porn. Do you know the lengths that people will go to see it? That would be a killer app. Heck Pornhub could sell a custom Android device just for that one killer product. Anyone who has a modicum of capital can get a run of customized AOSP based devices to resell.


I bet there is a reason. Not following guidelines is a good enough reason


Great feedback, thank you! Which OS do you use? Are most of those 500 emails promotional, or do you communicate via email a lot?

Thanks in advance!


I use Linux, Windows and Android.

Mailing lists. Then probably promotional. Notifications from things like Facebook, LiveJournal, Patreon, various web forums, etc. Then probably status reports from various scripts. The least amount of email is from people I actually talk to.


Our goal is to redesign email, not an email client. I sounds far-fetched, but there's a lot about that can be improved. From the basic UX to the way we communicate and share media via email. It takes many iterations and a long process, but there is a lot of room for innovation in email. In a long run, it will be much much more powerful then Gmail or Outlook, those are almost the same experiences we had 40 years ago.


Awesome, great feedback! Highly appreciated :)


Looking to move off gmail.

Conversation view and killer search also make great sense.

If free, show me a nice add; otherwise, I am happy to buy. Bonus for long term, like 2 year service pricing advantages.

Email is not a thing I want to think about much. Just works, just use

Good luck, have fun!


Thanks for the ideas! The pricing expectations are good to hear. We're planning on going with the freemium strategy, so there will be a version of an app for everyone. If you'd like to stay updated, here's a link to our website: http://juicymail.co. Feel free to sign up or ask anything else that's on your mind.

Regards, Roman


Plz ignore the cockly language :D

We believe email is extemely outdated, and all the current solutions out there aren't really making it any better. We're taking a whole new approach and our only mission is to bring a whole new email experience that everyone can love. That's why I'm curious to know about your opinion, basically :)


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