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But do they do it whether you're logged in or not?

I noticed the ChatGPT app also checks Play Integrity on Android (because GrapheneOS snitches on apps when they do this), probably for the same reason. Claude's app doesn't, by the way, but it also requires a login.


Because accounts are free, and could still be used to abuse as a free endpoint, with a little trickiness.

Don't you need a Google account and to get a Google account you need a phone number?

"You're posting too fast! Please slow down."


> 1. Gatekeeping. OK, fine

Proceeds to explain why your opinion is not "fine" but rather invalid, because Apple boiled you like a frog...

Every time someone mentions here that they're concerned macOS is becoming more like iOS, Apple apologists show up to explain how that's not actually happening. I guess now you guys have just accepted it.


From the article:

> While sadly, it doesn’t look like there will be any ADB command you can send to your phone to make it immediately jump to the end of that 24-hour delay

There's also no evidence that adb-sideloaded app stores will be able to skip PackageInstaller's developer verification enforcement, so no, you will have to wait 24 hours to install F-Droid and actually use it.


Wasn't most of the hype surrounding the Motorola partnership based on the idea that you'd be able to get a device with GrapheneOS pre-installed, boosting the legitimacy of GrapheneOS as a competitor to Google Android? Sure, "GrapheneOS adds several more supported devices" is cool and all, but it's not nearly as exciting...

No. The bare minimum is that Motorola provides the needed baseline hardware security requirements to their future devices. Everything else is just a bonus. There could be green-boot support and/or preinstalled devices, but thats not a necessity. GOS benefits with an official hardware platform, potentially early partner access to AOSP source code, input on hardware and firmware decisions, and Motorola benefits by potentially having GOS features, better hardware security, and making tons of money from alternate OS users, GOS or otherwise.

> Apple's argument for locking down the iPhone but not the Mac has always been some variation of "Mac users are professionals and iPhones are for everyone."

That argument no longer holds water with the release of the Macbook Neo and the associated Tiktok advertising campaign [1].

[1] https://www.tiktok.com/@apple


That would be very similar to LiveContainer for iOS [1]. I think that unsandboxed JIT is still possible as of Android 16, but Google has been cracking down on it.

[1] https://github.com/LiveContainer/LiveContainer


Or at least include this flag in the system backups and restore it upon switching to a new device...

If you get most/all of your apps from F-Droid, they're essentially establishing a policy of "any time you get a new phone, you can't use it for 24 hours", which is... insane?


How do you know this? It's been confirmed that you can use adb to temporarily bypass verification on a per-app basis, yes, but from what I can see, there's no indication that sideloading one app over adb will also skip the 1-day period.

This matters if you're sideloading an app store like F-Droid, because sideloaded app stores still have to go through PackageInstaller [1], which probably still enforces verification checks for adb-sideloaded apps?

[1] https://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/pm/P...


Google could easily put an end to that if they wanted. Just block adb access from the loopback address and VPN. I'm surprised this isn't already in place. The setup flow for those apps you're referring to is awkward enough that it's clear it was never intentional to be able to access adb on-device.

Choosing an iPhone is not sufficient to avoid the risks of technology. The majority of online scams require nothing more than two pre-installed apps: Safari and Phone.

Before downvoting, consider providing evidence that sideloading comes anywhere close to being the root cause of most online scams.

Just yesterday I discovered that my grandmother had been receiving calls from "Google business support" on her iPhone. The fact that they can't get her to sideload some app doesn't seem to stop them.


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