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Forcing Google to sell Chrome!


How does that help?

What business model do we expect chrome to have? The same DOJ doesn't like Google giving Apple money for traffic acquisition. Why would that be allowed for spun-out chrome?

Why do we expect the rest of the ecosystem to remain static? What do you think Google's next move is if they sell chrome?

Who do you expect to buy Chrome? Not Facebook. Who else could and would want to?

This is a solution that has been proposed without really considering any second order effects. Or if they were considered, it was done badly (it would be easy to prove me wrong: they could just write up what they expect to happen, and it would have to be even mildly believable)


I would assume they would not want Facebook to buy it, obviously. Microsoft neither.

I do not have a solution for the business case I have to admit, but it has 60%+ market share I believe, I’m sure someone will figure out something to monetize this.

It might end up with chrome becoming a worse browser though, that’s not an unlikely outcome at all. But Internet as a whole would be better for it in my view, if google‘s grip got loosened a bit…


This is funny to me. I don't really trust Google's incentives in general, but unlike all of the social networks, Google benefits from a more open internet.

Sure, this has gotten worse over time (if Reddit is closed, goog can pay for access), but they've been a reasonable steward of the web. Chrome is good. I use it intentionally. (Generally, my devices do not come with it installed and I choose to install it)

There are lots of reasonable pieces of anti competitive behavior that we should be punishing. This one will make the internet worse for consumers


I think websites only working with chromium browsers is not making the internet better and is definitely not a more open internet.

I’m not saying they are the worse monopolists out there though, just that I find the logic of splitting chrome sound, in the interest of a more open internet.


I don't really understand this

Safari works fine?? It's web kit based and is better for both memory usage and battery life iiuc

I almost exclusively use it on my phone. I also use it on my laptop (I have chrome FF and safari but primary use safari and chrome because I prefer them)

This seems to be working as intended. Apple makes a great browser that runs great on their devices and is beautifully designed. Chrome works everywhere (that is important to Google!)

We have choices!


Try to use safari with SAP software, for example.

Safari is amazingly fast and energy efficient, but I really really like the total cookie protection feature of Firefox. It’s unique to Firefox and I wish it would become the standard.


What is so hard to believe? Technology evolves rapidly. I can't imagine that anyone investing big money in compute technology wouldn't have expected that.


Because that happened in a time when there were many players in the 90s each making their own GPUs for gaming purposes specifically. Compute was not even on the picture until things like CUDA and OpenCL came out.


Back in the late 90s, there was a project at SGI, called Bali, to make all their pipelines work in IEEE 32-bit floating point (they were using Intel i860 chips) so that they could do HW rendering of scenes written in Pixar's Renderman language.

Sony copied that idea for the 1st Playstation, and then folks like NVidia & 3DLabs quickly followed suit, the idea being they would enable that functionality for games like Final Fantasy.

In the early 2000s, the HPC folks realized that you could use a GPU for physics & engineering codes, and here were are 20 yrs later.


You do understand nVidia dates back to fixed pipeline accelerators for essentially some vertices and textures, right?


Isn't Austin a very left-leaning city? Though, to be fair, the people I know in Austin are deeply conservative Texas natives who hate the new atmosphere...

Edit: I'm missing the point, they said Texas, not Austin.


They're all left-leaning cities, but the Gerrymandering is strong in Austin, which divides it into four Congressional districts: the 10th, 21st, 25th and 35th.


I have the same issue quite frequently... If I knew any decent alternative with uBlock (or equivalent) I'd switch on the spot! On a Pixel 6.


Firefox mobile is its own beast. I experience a whole host of issues on it, but have never had issues with Firefox on desktop. Only reason I use FF for Android is for uBlock, but it's so unreliable I'm dying for a better option...


These days desktop and mobile is kinda joined at the hip because users expect things like tabs and history to sync. So if Firefox has many problems on mobile to the point where users are actively deterred from using it, that hurts Firefox on the desktop as well.


Indeed, the article title is a little misleading! Sleep depravation producing short-term improvements in human depression has been well known for some time. What the authors actually propose is an underlying mechanism to that improvement, in mice...


Thank you for this! I have very similar thoughts. Felt like I was going crazy each time I saw these types of conversations sparked by mention of the "repugnant" conclusion...


If anything wouldn't this argument suggest you should isolate and quantify the active ingredient? Certainly there is more variation between two espressos than, say, two 80 mg caffeine capsules.


i don't think we know much about what the active ingredients are in coffee. we only know caffeine. but i'd bet this is only one among many.


Conspiracy-theorist goggles on... this is also fraud?! (I have no evidence, just pointing out the possibility)


Yeah, I think we've all considered that. Accurate record keeping for pets is worse than for humans.


how do you know? I'm pretty sure that record keeping for dogs in Denmark is more accurate than record keeping for much of the world's human population, especially when you consider going back 100+ years for those humans.

The oldest dog is evidently Portuguese. Not sure what that country's record keeping for dogs is like.


Significant numbers of dogs are feral, or of uncertain age and origin when adopted.


And it's much easier to pass off one dog for another similar-looking one. There's substantial reason to suspect this may have happened with the current record holder for world's oldest dog ("Bobi"), for example -- IIRC, some of the photos show some sudden, inexplicable changes in coat patterning...


thank you for answering my question of how you know a condition that you are familiar with from your country holds sway the world over.

So anyway, in Denmark this is the standard https://www.hunderegister.dk/home dogs are tracked pretty well here.

A human born 100 years ago would have been born in 1923, I'm pretty sure the records keeping of dogs in Denmark since 1993 (when the register was established) is better than a lot of humans 100 years ago.

But sure, many of the dogs we had in the U.S nobody knew what age they really were. I am however unconvinced that just because nobody knows what ages dogs are in one region that nobody anywhere knows what ages dogs are.

There is another factor about the age of dogs that pertains as well which is that basically the oldest dog anyone knows is definitely knowable all of someones life, of multiple people's lives in the same region actually.

Obviously nobody knows what age a dog is if adopted when grown but I wouldn't be saying the dog is 23 years old if I've only known it for 20 years, I would say it is at least 20 years old because that's how long I've known it. In this I can't help but feel I'm much like most people.


> thank you for answering my question of how you know a condition that you are familiar with from your country holds sway the world over.

Individual countries, even ones as populous with humans as China or India, or as populous with dogs as the US, don't matter for the total aggregate of record keeping. The record keeping status of an individual country is just an anecdote. It's the plural of a super-majority of the human or dog populations that become data.

> but I wouldn't be saying the dog is 23 years old if I've only known it for 20 years

People are arguing in this thread that this exact scenario happened as a conspiracy between multiple humans for Calment.

It's true that these conspiracies could exist, whether for humans, or for dogs. Bad record keeping could make it easier for dogs. Bad record keeping would also make it easier for a very long lived dog to not be recorded (though this is much less likely, as dogs over the age of 20 are something to remark on, and feral dogs generally don't live nearly that long).


>It's true that these conspiracies could exist, whether for humans, or for dogs. Bad record keeping could make it easier for dogs

the conspiracies would be more likely to have a payoff for humans though, and in the case of dogs as pointed out, all the humans that would be in charge of making a claim and that it lives among have probably lived as long as that dog or significantly longer.

As well as that there are probably lots of people who know the dog that have lived as long or longer, therefore, for any dog that it is likely somebody will make a claim about there are probably lots of people who would be able to contest the claim.

So in short, less profit, more people to dispute claims, either you have some records or you go through trouble of falsifying records for very little reason.


> or you go through trouble of falsifying records for very little reason.

As mentioned by duskwuff above this could be done with a simple dog substitution (easier to do if you're breeding your own dogs), not a record falsification.

And for some people a little local fame is enough. When the substituted dog starts to get closer to the world record then the little bit of worldwide fame is just a bonus. It could even start out innocently by naming a new dog after the deceased dog. If they look enough alike any other people might not notice the switch.

I'm not saying that it has happened, just that it's possible. And that bad record keeping for dogs would make it easier to either miss very old dogs due to not knowing their age, or to substitute younger dogs for older dogs.


> thank you for answering my question of how you know a condition that you are familiar with from your country holds sway the world over.

And for what it's worth, I live and was born in the US, but was thinking of a youtube channel that rescues animals (many of them dogs) in India, and another that rescues dogs in Ukraine.


End of life is terrifying... Especially the idea of facing it alone, with all your friends and family long gone (or, worse yet, having been abandoned), is heartbreaking.


Prepare for it now and everyday. Maybe it won’t be as terrifying when it comes.


We have to reckon with the fact that even surrounded by friends and family, at the moment our life finally ends we are alone inside our own mind. Even if it is scary, we can take solace in the fact that it is a fleeting moment.

Buddhism helps us learn healthy detachment. This can be detachment from things, people and even ourselves; the healthy part being the balance that still allows us to appreciate and love them, even knowing one day we must lose them. Pushing those things away to protect ourselves from the pain of loss is unhealthy. Remember the middle way.

In The Book of Joy the Dalai Lama states that he approaches meditation as a preparation to die well. I don’t know if that’s what you meant by “prepare for it every day” but what you said reminded me of all this.


Momento Mori


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