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GrapheneOS is more simple and vanilla than CalyxOS. GrapheneOS puts substantial effort into seamless/passive privacy and security features, as well as maintaining feature parity with the Android Open Source Project and with Googles stock Pixel operating system.

CalyxOS is not a private or secure operating system. They have added several 3rd party apps and services, which includes several 3rd party connections. On top of this, several of these services are given problematic, privileged access.

A notable example of this is Android Auto. CalyxOS grants substantial privileged access to this component by default, while GrapheneOS sandboxes it, and exposes 4 opt-in toggles for privileged access. The user may granularly decide what privileged access they wish to grant.


GrapheneOS inherits the user interface of the Android Open Source Project, which is what Pixels stock operating system uses, along with many other OEM forks of android.

GrapheneOSs App Store is present to fulfil the role of the first party appstore that AOSP requires. It also serves to provide updates to first party apps out-of-band, and mirror apps for various case-by-case reasons.

Accrescent is mirrored due to it having a focus on privacy and security. It is currently in alpha and app submissions are closed. They will be open Soon:tm:.

Google play is mirrored for app compatibility with apps that require google play, and for access to the playstore.

The GrapheneOS community favors Obtanium due to its ability to fetch developer-signed apps from places like Github. Fdroid signs and builds nearly every app on the main repository with outdated build infrastructure and poor moderation.

GrapheneOSs security model inherits and builds upon the AOSP security model.


No, GrapheneOS adheres to the same support period that the OEM provides. End of life devices are insecure and should not be used. Only the OEM can provide the firmware updates necessary for proper support, because the firmware images are signed by the OEM/component manufacturers. All GrapheneOS can do is push the updated firmware.

GrapheneOS has a requirement of a 5-7 year support window from an OEM.


An 8 series device or higher is recommended. Getting new from non-carrier stores or google store is reliable.

Used is a gamble due to improper OEM unlocking practices, so make sure it has a good return policy and try to verify OEM unlocking is accessible if you purchase used.


OEM/carrier locking tends to only happen in the US. Many carriers permit unlocking after the contract has concluded, but Verizon has always blocked it. Used devices also run the risk of being improperly unlocked and making OEM unlocking remain unavailable. (Used devices may also be Verizon devices.)

OEM/carrier locking tends to only happen in the US. Many carriers permit unlocking after the contract has concluded, but Verizon has always blocked it. Used devices also run the risk of being improperly unlocked and making OEM unlocking remain unavailable. (Used devices may also be Verizon devices.)

Motorola devices with GrapheneOS support will arrive in 2027 or later, not 2026. Likely, the 2027 Signature, Razr fold, and Razr flip, will meet GOSs hardware security requirements.

Rossmann made a thread on Kiwi Farms because Kiwi Farms members support him, and they support harassing his targets.

Rossmann has an account on Kiwi Farms for the purpose of engaging with his supporters on the site. He acts friendly with them and they choose to actively support him.

Rossmanns thread on the site is in support of him, not a harassment thread against him.


>Rossmann has an account on Kiwi Farms for the purpose of engaging with his supporters on the site. He acts friendly with them and they choose to actively support him

Once again. Okay and? Kiwifarms is a legal site in the us. He is engaging in no harassment or doxxing of anyone just talking to people that talk about him. Does micay talking on twitter with other people mean he supports musk or anything else anybody does on the platform?

If all your points are just "guilt by association" then just say that.


It's beyond guilt-by-platform-use. I just started looking into this today, but the primary dox thread thanks Rossman for information he provided, so I'm not entirely sure about your claim. When Rossman does weigh in on that site he seems fairly unbothered by the fact that people on there are posting every private detail they can unearth of Micay's and calling for Micay's violent murder, at least from what I've seen in my cursory glance.

He's also made highly-viewed videos theatrically (and ridiculously) expressing technically unfounded concerns about the project, laid the blame at Micay's feet, and went on to make verifiably false claims about the project, about himself, about his own relation to it (from everything I can find about it), and appears to have no problem stoking any of it.

I had long appreciated Rossman's work on right-to-repair, but when that video came out I found it pretty beneath his potential. He scored cheap points from his considerably bully pulpit for his own benefit.

Reducing that to mere guilt by association hardly captures it. I posted some more detail here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47868159


KiwiFarms is a platform created for the purpose of cyber bullying, harassment and encouraging self-harm. This is very different from a general purpose social media platform that happens to have people signing up that misbehave. The whole point around KiwiFarms is that it's a place to be the most terrible version of yourself and the promise that it won't be moderated. It says a lot about Rossman that he believes it's worth engaging with such people there. Yes, reasonable and ethical people would indeed choose to not be associated with KiwiFarms.


It's beyond guilt-by-platform-use. I just started looking into this today, but the primary dox thread thanks Rossman for information he provided, so I'm not entirely sure about your claim. When Rossman does weigh in on that site he seems fairly unbothered by the fact that people on there are posting every private detail they can unearth of Micay's and calling for Micay's violent murder, at least from what I've seen in my cursory glance.

He's also made highly-viewed videos theatrically (and ridiculously) expressing technically unfounded concerns about the project, laid the blame at Micay's feet, and went on to make verifiably false claims about the project, about himself, about his own relation to it (from everything I can find about it), and appears to have no problem stoking any of it.

I had long appreciated Rossman's work on right-to-repair, but when that video came out I found it pretty beneath his potential. He scored cheap points from his considerably bully pulpit for his own benefit.

Reducing that to mere guilt by association hardly captures it.


Its not broad criticism, its attacks that use criticism as a false excuse. Defending themselves neutrally and objectively is not unhinged.


None of this is accurate. Community backlash was not what forced them to step down. The attacks, including attempted murder, was what led them to handing the lead developer position to another trusted project member.

Attacks against GOS have not been quiet for years, attacks have still been ongoing during that time.


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