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>all your internal code and strategic documents

are already stored on someone else's computer already, at 99% of organizations. Every cloud offering comes with business data privacy guarantees.


You could just solder on a new ram set

The amount of people for whom this is a "just" kind of task is very very low. I don't think "just" should be in that sentence ;)

Preventing the compilation of code by arbitrary users is not harmful and reduces your attack surface.

Those examples have tangible real world effects before they become permanently irreversible.

Just like domain expiration grace periods. The person you're responding to isn't wrong in that the bank will also absolutely come for your house if multiple attempts don't reach you. It may be exaggerated but registrars are happy to sell you more stuff and always (in my experience with various providers anyway) send announcements, reminders, and notices even if, granted, they won't do as much effort as a bank

People also don't seem to have trouble holding onto other things in life with recurring fees


>Those examples have tangible real world effects before they become permanently irreversible.

And losing access to your email/other domain assets doesn't have "tangible, real world effects"?

In fact, those "real world" effects is what prompted[0] this discussion of custom domains to host one's email.

Or am I missing something?

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42078868


I think you missed the word “before” in their comment.

Miss a mortgage payment and the mortgage holder will try to contact you through many channels. If that fails and you keep missing payments and they decide to evict you, that process takes a while and will include even more attempts to contact you including printed notices left at your house.

Miss renewing your domain and you will probably get email from the registrar about it, but if you didn’t have the foresight to set up a filter to whitelist those it might look like spam and you might miss it. You then only find out when your domain stops working.

Also mortgage payments are typically monthly. When you have to do something monthly it is a lot easier to remember than things that are yearly, especially yearly things that aren’t associated with a holiday or other special day.


>I think you missed the word “before” in their comment.

Nope. Didn't miss that at all. What is it that the kids call it these days? "Adulting?" It really ain't that hard.

Then again, perhaps I'm some sort of superman, or maybe paying my bills on time is my super power.

Somehow I've managed to pay all my bills, keep up my house and renew multiple domains for decades. And it wasn't even hard to do. I have a whole bunch of payments I need to make that aren't simply monthly payments of equal size -- and yet I manage to do so without issue.

Do you think that's unusual or uncanny and folks shouldn't be expected to manage their financial affairs competently? Is that your point?

Then again, millions of others seem to do that just fine too. As I said previously: If it's important to you, you tend to make sure it gets done.

If you (or anyone else) is unwilling or unable to do so, then you should hire an accountant to take care of it for you. Or not.

Regardless, I take care of myself without issue. If you and/or others cannot or will not, that's a you problem.


I'm impressed that you are able to keep track of so many things over an extended period, considering that apparently 3.5 hours are long enough for you to forget a question that you asked.

Let's recap.

You:> A calendar isn't a bad idea, but I assume GP has ways of making sure they do all those other things. What's different about a domain registration?

where "all those other things" are paying a mortgage, going to work, paying utility bills, getting food, putting gas in your vehicle, etc.

2.5 hours later, HeatrayEnjoyer responded:

> Those examples have tangible real world effects before they become permanently irreversible.

An hour later you then said:

You:> And losing access to your email/other domain assets doesn't have "tangible, real world effects"?

At this time, a mere 3.5 hours after your question you seem to have forgotten that you asked it. If you had remembered that they were answering your question, which to remind you (in case you've forgotten it again over the course of reading this comment) was how do people make sure they do those other things yet forget to handle domain renewal.

You would then have realized he's not saying that losing a domain doesn't have tangible, real world effects. He's explaining that the difference is the timing of those effects.

In fact many people do sometimes forget to do those other things. But those other things are all easy to correct with little or no negative consequences when they forget so the penalty is small for not developing an ironclad system to never forget them.

For example if they forget to pick up groceries on the way home from work and then the next morning find that they don't have food for breakfast the consequences might be something like they have to skip breakfast that day if they don't have time to go out for food before they have to be at work.


>I'm impressed that you are able to keep track of so many things over an extended period, considering that apparently 3.5 hours are long enough for you to forget a question that you asked.

>Let's recap.

Let's not.

>In fact many people do sometimes forget to do those other things. But those other things are all easy to correct with little or no negative consequences when they forget so the penalty is small for not developing an ironclad system to never forget them.

Sucks to be them, then I guess.

Perhaps you've forgotten to do something important while you were making unsupported statements about what I know/don't know/remember/don't remember and blathering on about something or other?

I'll keep using my (apparent) super powers to be a responsible adult. Perhaps others should try it instead of whinging about forgetting important things.

Or not. It's no skin off my nose either way.


Well then, if your failure to understand HeatrayEnjoyer's comment is not due to overlooking the word "before" and not due to forgetting they were answering a question you asked, what is the explanation?

This thread weirds me out because not paying a domain has the effect of first receiving alerts and then not receiving mails anymore. People who manage to miss both probably didn't need the address in the first place.

I didn't "fail to understand" anyone's (yours included) comments.

Adults take responsibility for their lives. They pay their bills and do the things they say they're going to do.

To anyone who whinges "ooh, what if I forget to pay my bills. It would be so sad. But I shouldn't be held responsible."

Please.

Maybe that flies with mommy and daddy, but to anyone else it comes across as immaturity.

To those folks I say, "Grow up and pay your bills. What? Are you 12?"

If you can't or won't, that's your fault.

Is that a good enough explanation for you?


Interactive captchas are one foot in the grave. With multi-modal tool-using AI models proliferating, challenge tasks that only a human can complete are vanishing. Current challenges exclude users with minor physical or mental impairments even now.

Anti-bot filters will require a different signal to determine if a physical human actually made the request.


> It’s pretty obvious after their data grab with the new Outlook.

What did they do this time?


20231128 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38441710 New Outlook is good, both for yourself and 766 third parties

20231110 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38217457 Microsoft steals access data: Beware of the new Outlook (German) (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38219568 dupe/English)

20231109 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38212453 Windows 11 Update 23H2 is stealing users' IMAP credentials

> the new Outlook is a thin wrapper around the cloud version, so the IMAP sync happens in the cloud, not locally


The New Outlook(tm) is an Edge Webview to the cloud.

In the stupidest twist of fate, you cannot open Outlook offline, at all. There is no concept of "offline" in the New Outlook. I assume this is Microsoft forcing away the issues of the past of 50+GB OST files by making Outlook a glorified webmail client instead.

Oh, and Microsoft Teams? You can open that offline and it's got a full cached experience. Innovation at its finest!


Is this sarcasm?

How do you know the root enclave key isn't retained somewhere before it is written? You're still trusting Apple.

Key extraction is difficult but not impossible.


According to Apple,

"A randomly generated UID is fused into the SoC at manufacturing time. Starting with A9 SoCs, the UID is generated by the Secure Enclave TRNG during manufacturing and written to the fuses using a software process that runs entirely in the Secure Enclave. This process protects the UID from being visible outside the device during manufacturing and therefore isn’t available for access or storage by Apple or any of its suppliers."[1]

But yes of course, you have to trust the manufacturer is not lying to you. PCC is about building on top of that fundamental trust to guard against a whole variety of other attacks.

[1] https://support.apple.com/guide/security/secure-enclave-sec5...


> Key extraction is difficult but not impossible.

Refer to the never-ending clown show that is Intels SGX enclave for examples of this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Guard_Extensions#List...


Can you clarify what you mean by retained and written?

We're well aware people are looking to genocide us, yes.

Not you all, you specifically. And for your rhetoric too.

"When people tell you who they are, believe them."

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