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The stats were poor (behind the US) even before Brexit


yup, agree. and the stats are still poor.

i don’t see any solution to this problem, and it doesn’t seem like the politicians and/or the public care.


Are those GDP figures inflation adjusted?


I have no idea how those metrics are calcupated, but by selecting "international USD" (whatever that means...), the US and EU are basically on par... Seems almost like economics are too complex a topic to easily compare in an online comment.


GDP is actually the easiest, most apples-to-aples thing to compare, I don't know why you're saying it's too complex. And the graph clearly shows the EU falling behind the US, both in nominal $ and in GDP per capita.

Here's another source. https://statisticstimes.com/economy/united-states-vs-eu-econ...


>"international USD" (whatever that means...)

International dollar means normalizing everything to the US dollar as of 1990. So the answer to Chucknorris89's question is "Yes".


I think you're exaggerating with the Soviet Union comparison. But yeah, the economy and jobs market is pretty stagnant. What's not stagnant is the housing market. We're gonna be like Canada soon.


>Social media platforms like TikTok and Snapchat will face possible shutdowns when they don't crack down on problematic content

Ok, and who defines what exactly is "problematic content"? Let me guess, it's gonna be whatever the government wants silenced.

>"When there is hateful content, content that calls – for example – for revolt, that also calls for killing and burning of cars, they will be required to delete [the content] immediately,"

Aha, but if I invite 100k people to a meeting in the city center next to the parliament building for a peaceful protest, that will be fine and not get removed, right? Right?


An optimistic view would be that courts decide what is right and wrong. They are supposed to be independent of both the government and the parliament, and if you fear a dystopian future where they aren't, shutting down TikTok isn't going to be our biggest problem.


I don't get your comment. The police can come break up mass gatherings without consulting with the courts first.


I think it's mistaken to compare the two rather than seeing one as an extension of the other. Police already have the tools and authority to police an active riot into submission. The decision to go easy on riots is a political one motivated by a desire not to jeopardize their current powers. This doesn't mean expanding their powers is necessary or desirable even if the courts are involved however.


Laws vary a bit from country to country in Europe, but here in Sweden at least the cops have to protect the safety of the people in the mass gatherings, safeguarding their right to protest/demonstrate/whatever.

This system has really been put to the test lately when some right wing extremists wanted to burn the Quran outside of mosques. The police really didn't want to allow that, but were in the end forced to protect the demonstrations, since even boneheaded Nazis have freedom of speech here, no matter how dumb and inflammatory their speech is.

This has really caused some diplomatic problems for the government, who are trying to convince Turkey (a predominantly Muslim country) to allow us to join NATO. Burning the Quran and angering every Muslim in the world has not helped that cause.

Now it seems burning stuff is becoming a trend, the other day someone made the news for burning a printout of their municipalities traffic guidelines, which was kinda funny.

Given how much the government and the police wanted to stop these things, and yet still ended up helping them happen(in accordance to Swedish constitution) makes me not worry overmuch that Europe will become Soviet.

Unless Russia conquers us all, then we'll be the Soviet Union for sure.


You’d be surprised that if you show pornography or gore porn in public, the police can and will take you down in the US too without a court order.

So what defines problematic content? The law.


"Uneven application of the law" is generally what people seem to have issues with.


That’s exactly what is being addressed. The uneven application in virtual space vs meat space.


Well, it doesn't seem to be applied evenly in meat space yet either. ;)


I don't understand how you can question this, are you trying to stop our government from being able to fight right-wing Russian misinformation trolls? With attitudes like that, Ukraine will lose.

Upvotes to the left, folks.


Ah yes, the invisible boogieman, Russian online trolls, the reason we should all give up our rights, "for your safety". "but think of the children".


>It's alarming how comfortable people have become on HN to announce their xenophobia so openly lately

Since when is it xenophobic to not be ok with uncontrolled mass migration?

Do you also leave your house the door unlocked and open for anyone to come in as they please? If you don't, and you lock it, you're xenophobic.

People are ok with immigrants, they don't care what skin color you have, they just don't want uncontrolled illegal immigrants who don't care about integration and adapting to the local culture and value system.


Regardless of my personal feelings about immigration, the issue I was delineating is that it's a huge logical leap at best, wildly off-topic and incendiary at worst. Given your propensity for sharing conspiracy theories both in this thread and elsewhere on HN, I don't believe we're going to have a productive conversation about this either way, so let's just not.


You started calling people xenofobic for rasing valid concerns and now you want everyone to drop it?

And which conspiracy theory did I share? I do believe you're delusional.


I agree with you, and so does huge swathes of the West. This person has The Correct Opinions, but those opinions are driving the working class into the arms of Le Pen, Meloni etc.

This is not going to end well.


  1. Import people who are not exactly fond of France as cheap labor

  2. Allow people in who are even hate France but just want the economic benefits

  3. Factories/mines etc shut down or go abroad, thus making foreign "temporary" workers who somehow were allowed to stay, go poor and thus, give the excuse leftists need about socioeconomic factors

  4. Regardless of point 3. immigration increases further because we must maintain the progressive multi-kulti façade going and call everyone who disagrees with it racist bigots

  5. End up with massive social welfare fraude and jobless people who can't, won't and don't want to integrate

  6. Somehow plead for even more immigration

  7. Integration systems are too small and failing under the pressure of sheer numbers, real estate prices and rent go brrrr

  8. Enclaves and proto-Detroitesque environments are growing like late stage cancer

  9. Not even all the gaslighting in the world can make those who can think with high resolution, believe "diversity is our strength". Call them racist without proper reason.

  10. Ethnic conflict, religious conflict, cultural unrest ensues and grows, allowing for invasive privacy laws to be set in "for your protection"

  11. Keep open border policies going because otherwise people might call you racist again

  12. Act shocked as rightwing parties grow across the west


>sensitive professions including doctors, journalists, lawyers, judges and MPs would not be legitimate targets

Well gee, ain't that convenient, that the ruling class is exempt from the invasive laws they set. Privacy for me, not for thee.

Hey french people, maybe it's time to get them ol' faithful guillotines out of the mothballs, your ruling class is acting up again.


France has been on fire for more than a year now from protests.

Perhaps the bell tolls for thee ?


Some animals are more equal than others.


Getting some old man yells at clouds vibes :)


It's easy because there has never been a greater backlog of junior candidates trying to break into the industry.


>low level doctors (like radiology which is already widely outsourced)

lol, no. In my country, doctors have basically the strongest union possible, they decide who gets in/out and what tools get used so there's no way they'd let their jobs get automated or outsourced away. At best radiologists will use AI tools to improve their work but they'll still be in charge.

My fear is that after a while, just like with people having crashes from leaving autopilot in charge without constant supervision, radiologists will get sloppy/lazy and just rubber-stamp every diagnostic the AI gives them on autopilot, without checking for themselves, and we'll end up with more fake positives/negatives and people's lives ruined.

Hopefully I'm wrong.


The patient ultimately sanity checks doctor recommendations. The referring clinician sanity checks the radiologist. The primary care sanity checks the referring clinician. Medicare sanity checks the bills. there are checks and balances. radiologists are the most tech savvy of the docs. And there are only about a 1000 / year new ones. I think we will be fine.


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