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I have an idea that another way of preventing being tracked is just massively spamming trash in the data layer object, pushing thousands of dollars worth of purchase events and such, pushing randomly generated user details and other such events. Perhaps by doing this your real data will be hard to filter out. A side effect is also that data becomes unreliable overall, helping less privacy aware people in the process.


Now there’s a fun idea!! I wonder how difficult it would be to spoof events.

Edit: looks like this might exist already: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adnauseam/


Since installing it on firefox on this computer (18 months ago or so) Ad Nauseam has clicked ~$38,000 worth of ads, that i never saw.

Between this and "track me not" i've been fighting back against ads and connecting my "profile" with any habits since 2016 or so. I should also note i have pihole and my own DNS server upstream, so that's thiry-eight grand in ad clicks that got through blacklists.

https://www.trackmenot.io/faq


[Preface: I hate ads, I love uBlock origin, I use pihole, I'm a proponent of ad blockers]

I manage a Google Ads account with a $500,000 budget. That budget is spent on a mix of display ads, google search, and youtube ads.

If I knew that 10% of our budget was wasted on bot clicks, there's nothing I can do as an advertiser. We can't stop advertising... we want to grow our business and advertising is how you get your name out there. We also can't stop using Google Ads - where else would we go?

$38,000 in clicks boosts Google's revenue by $38k (Google ain't complaining). The only entity you're hurting are the advertisers using Google. Advertisers might see their campaigns performing less well, but that's not going to stop them from advertising. If anything, they'll increase budgets to counteract the fake bot clicks.

I really don't understand what Ad Nauseam is trying to achieve. It honestly seems like it benefits Google more than it hurts them. It directly hurts advertisers, but not enough that it would stop anyone from advertising.

Google has a system for refunding advertisers for invalid clicks. The $500k account that I manage gets refunded about $50/month in invalid clicks. I'm guessing if bot clicks started making a real dent in advertiser performance, Google would counter that by improving their bot detection so they can refund advertisers in higher volumes. If there's ever an advertiser-led boycott of Google Ads, Google would almost certainly respond by refunding advertisers for bot clicks at much higher rates.


> I really don't understand what Ad Nauseam is trying to achieve. It honestly seems like it benefits Google more than it hurts them.

Google is part of the problem, but they're neither the only ones nor best to target through bottom-up approaches.

> It directly hurts advertisers, but not enough that it would stop anyone from advertising.

You know the saying about XML - if it doesn't solve the problem, you are not using enough of it.

> there's nothing I can do as an advertiser. We can't stop advertising...

We know. The whole thing is a cancer[0], a runaway negative feedback loop. No single enlightened advertiser can do anything about it unilaterally. Which is why the pressure needs to go up until ~everyone wants change.

--

[0] - https://jacek.zlydach.pl/blog/2019-07-31-ads-as-cancer.html


> Which is why the pressure needs to go up until ~everyone wants change.

I think the point made is that this adds no extra pressure.


The comment itself is evidence that it does, otherwise no one would even pay attention. But clearly the pressure is nowhere near sufficient.


You know, I'm not too worried that I'm making the lives of people who spy on me harder and wasting their money.

You don't have to buy privacy violating ads. You don't have to buy targetted ads


> You don't have to buy privacy violating ads. You don't have to buy targetted ads.

Sadly, you do until the monopoly is broken up. Because as is your company probably won't survive in the market, nor you in your role, using anything else.


> Because as is your company probably won't survive in the market

Then maybe that business isn't adding all that much value to society to begin with and it's just not that much of a loss if it goes away.

If a company cannot survive without shoving their product into the view of eyeballs appealing to our most basic monkey brain instincts, it's maybe just better if it dies.


There are plenty of companies that A) don't advertise or B) don't use individually targeted ads

An example of A: carmex

An example of B: Ball Homes (sixth largest residential builder in the country), pretty much any lawyer, a mom and pop that buys newspaper space, TV space or a bill board


> I hate ads

> The only entity you're hurting are the advertisers using Google.

That’s fine. Advertising is cancer. Reducing advertisers’ ROI is good too.

You don’t hate ads if you’re spending $500k on them. You just hate receiving ads, which makes you hypocritical.


Well, in today's reality you need a job to at least pay rent. And employers need advertising to make money to pay their workers.

It's factually impossible to live in modern society without participating in ethically questionable activities at least indirectly.


DuckDuckGo is profitable without targeted ads.


The point is to poison your ad tracking profile so that advertisers can't figure out who you are and what you'll buy.

No matter how secure your browser setup is, Google is tracking you. By filling their trackers with garbage, there's less that can personally identify you as an individual


Apple bought the patent to do just that 13 years ago … the .Mac observer article about it is now gone - here is the archive record

https://web.archive.org/web/20200601034723/https://www.macob...

Carter invented it and got paid so they can bury it. Must be good tech.


By hurting the advertisers you hurt google. It sucks that you are disadvantaged by it, but the truth of the matter is that once it becomes expensive enough it will not be worth it economically. And it is clear from your own message this is the only language you're willing to speak.


And you also hurt the people who create the content that you consume, it is a very toxic attitude (and maybe even illegal as it causes intentional financial damage)


Ads hurt people by stealing attention and manipulating spending intentions. Being exposed to a firehose of them makes us more stupid and poorer.


I think the idea is that hurting entities who are pushing out a lot of ads is a good thing.


Hopefully it puts my browsers on an bot blocklist, which then invalidates the tracking profile and eliminates targeted advertising entirely.


The problem with being on google's bot blocklist is you'll suddenly discover that recaptcha is used in a heck of a lot of places.


My assumption with something as hostile as ad nauseum is that you were running the risk of Google profile bans


oh no! anyway.


> It honestly seems like it benefits Google more than it hurts them. It directly hurts advertisers, but not enough that it would stop anyone from advertising.

GP fights agains ads, not Google. And not being able to win 100% of the gain shouldn’t restrain someone from taking action it they consider the win share worth the pain.

> $38,000 in clicks boosts Google's revenue by $38k

You should include costs here, and if (big if) a substantial part of the clicks comes from bots and get refunded, the associated cost comes on top of the bill. At the end the whole business is impacted. I agree 50/50k is a penny through.

> I hate ads […] I manage a Google Ads account

[no cynism here, I genuinely wonder] how do you manage your conscience, mood and daily motivation? Do you see a dichotomy in what you wrote and if so, how did you arrive to that situation? Any future plan?

I’m asking as you kind of introduce the subject but if you’re not willing to give more details that’s totally fine.


> I'm guessing if bot clicks started making a real dent in advertiser performance, Google would counter that by improving their bot detection so they can refund advertisers in higher volumes.

They already have methods to detect a lot. Like you said yourself, customers have no alternative, so why would they refund money they don't have to?


I’d hope you’ll find an advocacy group to join who’ll sue google for billions in fraud and lost revenue.


> want to grow our business and advertising is how you get your name out there

Or.. you know.. offering a quality product?


Tiny trafic but everyone is buying things. High praise in the reviews, not a single organic link.


> I hate ads, I love uBlock origin, I use pihole, I'm a proponent of ad blockers. I manage a Google Ads account with a $500,000 budget.

If you can write this without seeing how you are the very worst of our enemies, then I do hope your business die, there is obviously nothing that will make you understand. I still can't believe you put those words together, honestly.

Do you see yourself as a separate breed from your lowly users or something? How can you inflict and even try to justify what you yourself avoid and say you "hate"?


Probably just doesn't want to take his work home with him :P

In a way I get it, I wouldn't buy or recommend the product I currently work on. Still cash the paychecks though. I also am the stereotypical tech person who avoids technology. I can't exactly blame anyone for playing the game. The guy who works at the sausage factory but won't eat sausage due to what he's seen is a pretty common refrain.


This is great. I seek out competitors to the companies that advertise so I can get the product without rewarding advertisers.

Man scape? Nah, generic women's razers. Pcbway? Nope. JLCPCB.

Screw your ads. Find a better way.


JLCPCB does tons of sponsored segments on YT. I see them more than Pcbway.


JLC advertise constantly, just look at the eevblog forums.


  > JLCPCB
How are they?


I've only used them once for my first (and so far only) PCB, so as a complete amateur, it was great. They rejected my first design which had an obvious flaw, and my second design was in my hands a little over a week after I uploaded it. I paid 2.60EUR for 5 (tiny) PCBs and 7.50EUR for the shipping. They even placed and soldered components for me.


That's very reasonable, especially if those were SMT components.


Oh well. Advertisers are the scum of the earth, the only thing worse is those facilitating them. Driving a wedge between advertisers and googles is a win.


I would worry about being labeled a bot and denied access to websites at all.


What do you expect this to do, long term? I’m curious.


Even if it merely makes using Google shenanigans unattractive for advertisers, that would be a huge win against one of the biggest perpetrators, privacy and data protection violators out there.


How unattractive do you think it will make it for them?


about -$25,000 a year, give or take.


You're talking about Adnauseum

https://adnauseam.io/

Chrome banned it from their add on store but it can still be installed manually


AdNaueam works against ads, but does it also work against Google Tag Manager?

I've already got most ads blocked by simply Piholing them, but GTM tracking my every move using first-party content is a different kind of interaction to attack.


just block GTM


Would be nice to have something similar to this for Mixpanel and Amplitude


I’d imagine that by this point in time, they are able to filter this specific type of noise out of the dataset. They have been tracking everyone for so long that I doubt there’s anyone they don’t know about whether directly of shadow profiles. These randomly generated users would just not match up to anything and would be fine to just drop


I have a quite common name in my country and snatched firstname.lastname@gmail.com for that name many years ago. Many use it by accident somehow when registering for things. Possibly (hopefully!) half of all leaks containing my email address are for other people. Never thought of what it might do for ad profiling, but hopefully it is adding at least some noise to it.

Maybe I could manually improve a bit on that by deliberately register myself for various random services and just clicking around a bit to pretend I am interested in things I have no interest in. On the other hand with 20 years of tracking I think Google has all my interests and habits nailed down anyway.


Dutch is also not censored, so I guess that many other languages aren’t censored too


Post contains an email from European Parliament about leaked personal details.

Translation of partial Dutch part:

It is the criminal records, employment contracts and passports of all accredited parliamentary assistants (or, in other words, all assistants to more than 700 MEPs) of the European Parliament. Those assistants (and former assistants) were already warned about this in May, and yesterday they received info about where 'external parties' all have had 'access' to. And so it turns out: quite a lot. “Identity card or passport, Extract of criminal records, Civil status certificates, Certificates and other documents to determine the residence or domicile, Education or experience supporting documents, Military obligations certificate, Declaration of honor documents made by data subject, Documents to establish the individual entitlements, Contract and additional administrative documents.”


There is however no indication if it failed on a line when using ChatGPT, it could provide you with a slightly incorrect result.


Yeah that's always been a fear but I always dog food and I've had no issues yet


ive done it with transforming data (for example pasting a table in and asking it to turn it into LaTeX) or something and had the occasional issue with it misordering or forgetting things. It didn't take long to spot the error for me though


You could run it through thrice with a different prompt/temperature/model and pick the majority result (or exit with success on the first two passing runs).


Good idea. If the data is a list of records where the order isn't important, randomly permuting them (ETA: then sorting the final outputs) would be another option.

ETA2: Would the downvoter care to explain why? Genuinely puzzled.


I tried to copy paste the Advent of Code puzzles into the chat, and it just spewed out code that worked like it was nothing. It worked for the day 1 and day 2 puzzels. I’m impressed it also “remembered” that I wanted the result as JavaScript


For what it's worth, this is likely one of the easier puzzles you could give it because there are so many solutions in a number of languages all over the web.


The training set is limited to 2021 and earlier and it sounds like the GP asked for solutions to yesterday's Advent of Code puzzle.


Yes correct. It does however still explain in detail what needs to happen (I omitted the results for the sample data’s).


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Why are you so snarky? Yes, of course this won't solve things it has never seen in its training set. It's not an AGI. But so what? It's still amazing nontheless. Is your point that since it's not "intelligent" we should dismiss it?


I've interacted with that account before and they were always snarky, as if their test they made is the arbiter of intelligence and that we shouldn't be so impressed by AI that to me is actually impressive.


You don't test on the training set.

Everybody in ML (e.g., me) knows that.

But that's what we're seeing.

I'm saying: "Here's a test outside the training set."


I had to go back and reread GPs comment because I didn’t sense any snark the first time. Still not sure if I do.


That's right. There was no snark intended.


He's just spamming his website in every thread related to ML. The snark gets more attention.


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You can't do this here. I've banned the account, and have redacted the identifying info from your comment.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


Ooh could you email me what he said? It's in my profile. Really curious what sort of identifying info of me he was showing off.


Maybe the difference between Adobe and Microsoft is that the latter has kind of proven itself now. In the meantime is Adobe very busy trying to separate the Open Source version of Magento from the paid version, called Adobe Commerce now. There is only one mention of Magento left on the homepage, about the name change. And is a link to the free version now where to be found.


It is also possible to get the frosted effect on some browsers using: backdrop-filter: blur(19px) saturate(2);


Yes someone else pointed that out as well - I plan to update the article soon!


> Later on Monday morning, a second heavy tugboat arrives to pull the ship off completely. In addition, water will be sprayed under the ship with great force to wash away sand and clay. If it is not possible to clear the front of the ship in this way, containers may have to be unloaded from the front of the ship.

(Dutch source: https://www.trouw.nl/buitenland/vastgelopen-containerschip-s...)


I fail to understand why they didn't/don't use the tugboats to wash the water away. Even small boats can cause a lot of scour with their bow thrusters along a vertical quay wall (which the Ever Given is in a way). The erosive power of a 16MW engine is really something to not be underestimated.


>I fail to understand why they didn't/don't use the tugboats to wash the water away. Even small boats can cause a lot of scour with their bow thrusters

If the following video explanation is accurate, a tugboat's turbulence can't scour down to ~50 ft depth of sand: https://youtu.be/zBvFuq7Mkzs?t=1m00s

I think the confusion we have with all these news reports is that we really don't have a definitive visualization or geometry of how its actually stuck in the sand that's accurate/authoritative. A bunch of overhead drone shots don't really reveal to us the true extent of the problem that's hidden underneath the waterline.

We just see words about tugboats arriving and water spraying so our instinct is to simplify the problem to "I don't understand why they can't just do <X>?!?"

EDIT to add informative deep link of how the ship got stuck mentioned by another thread: https://youtu.be/5iyn2q6s1Sk?t=4m28s


Here is an attempt to draw a cross-section of the situation: https://www.bellingcat.com/resources/2021/03/26/suez-canal-s...


Great link. That was the diagram I had been wanting to see.


Tearing down Chesterton’s Fence:

"Don’t demand that people stop doing a thing until you fully understand why they think it was worth doing.

Only when you fully understand their perspective should you then argue with their specific reasoning."

Closing Chesterton’s Gate:

“Don’t ask rhetorically why people don’t simply do a thing, until you fully understand why they considered but rejected that thing.

Only when you fully understand their perspective should you then argue with their specific reasoning."


> Don’t ask rhetorically why people don’t simply do a thing [emphasis mine]

Though asking with curiosity, humility and joy, can convert an "argument from failure of imagination" into a "It seems my understanding of the world isn't matching the world! Yay! Learning opportunity! Help me leverage this, let it not slip by unexploited, please?". Those can be wonderfully Aha! fruitful. First step of a bugfix is finding a failure case.


"Was it X that meant you couldn't do Y?" is the best way to phrase it if possible. It demonstrates an attempt, even if it's just a simple one, to understand it, and implies you have faith the other party haven't missed something obvious. Thinking of an X often answers the question for you, stops you looking stupid.

Every now and then, the reply is "that would have been a good idea actually" in which case you still get to look smart. So it's a win+win really.


I imagine it’s a mix of

1. They can’t manoeuvre tugs into the right location due to the aforementioned silt and dirt the Ever Given is stuck on/dug up.

2. Tug bow trusters are difficult to aim. Plus how do you hold them steady? They can only fire in one direction at a time, so you have no ability to create a reaction thrust to prevent the tug from moving.

3. Tug thrusters don’t enjoy ingesting huge amounts silt and earth when they’re operating. Which invariably will happen if they’re close enough to banks to have a useful erosive effect.


They could use jets to build Palm Islands, but not to dislodge this ship?


...in a few days?


There’s been like 2 dudes out there with an excavator for a week. Absolutely nothing about this has made any sense. Based on the amount of revenue lost due to this blockage you’d think every military on the earth would have descended there.



That's just that first image. Meanwhile they've been going at it day and night with 6 long boom excavators at the same time.


At this point, I wonder if it economically would cost less to just destroy the vessel


Kurzgesagt tweeted about this (specifically using a nuke to remove the vessel). It's surprising just how big a nuke you would need to remove such a large vessel.

https://twitter.com/Kurz_Gesagt/status/1375607865721958403?s...


I fail to understand why so many people are proposing this alternative as if blowing up tonnes of cargo in the water, surroundings and air would be fine from an environmental point of view.


The Hollywood effect.

All crises, worldwide, are eventually solved by the American military blowing shit up.


Also: No laws governing other countries.


Or even just filling the canal with debris.


And spread debris throughout the canal, causing more delays as they try to clean that up?


Because that worked so well for Florence, Oregon's exploding whale...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6CLumsir34


I've just canceled my subscription this morning after i've received a reminder that it would be renewed.

I don't know where you use CC for, but if it is just for photoshop, you might give https://www.photopea.com/ a try.


I switched to Affinity Photo as an alternative [1] and quite happy with it. It's similar enough to Photoshop that I'm not lost, more polished than Gimp, and only a fraction of the price. Their forum is also quite good for support.

1: https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/


I'll second this.

Affinity Photo and Designer are great tools, they are cross-platform (although you have to purchase them separately), and regularly go on sale (I bought both for 70$ total).

I have yet to find a task I used to use Photoshop or Illustrator for that I can't do with these. I am not a hardcore or super advanced user, but that's why it works for me.


Nikon have just published a complete free and quite sophisticated photo software suite, most useful summary of which here :

https://bythom.com/newsviews/nikon-launches-new-software.htm...

Ed; "Everything is there: stills, video, image browsing, NEF processing, Lightroom-like capabilities, cloud integration, image ingest,and much more."


nice trying this out. i have a nikon camera :)


(They aren't cross-platform if they don't run on Linux)


Tomato, tomato

edit: we are talking about replacements for Adobe products here, so context matters. Adobe products _also_ don't run on Linux.


I wouldn't call Adobe products "cross-platform" either, though.


Pretty sure there are lots of valid definitions of "cross-platform", and I will say again that context matters.

If I'm talking about a mobile app and I say "cross-platform" I probably meant iOS and Android. It would be strange to say "what about Linux??" in that context.

So here we are talking about competitors to Adobe products, where "cross-platform" means Windows and Mac, so when I say "cross-platform" in this context, I am also referring to that same set of platforms.


With linux desktop use at ~1.5% and dropping, at some point it becomes bad business to support it. It's not adobe's job to pick OS's for their users, it's their job to support the OS's that their users use. And their users are about 99% Windows/Mac it seems.

When you cover about 98-99% of your users platforms, I think you're cross platform.

Otherwise, we could define a cross-platform slippery slope such that no software has ever achieved it. There's always another platform you didn't support.


Then "cross-platform" now means "Windows and MacOS" and Linux stops making the "platform" list?


I always thought cross-platform meant "more than one platform", but I guess I don't really know if that's how it's typically used.


I almost exclusively use Linux, and I would call any Windows + Mac app cross-platform.

Does it run on more than one platform? If yes, it's cross platform.

Otherwise, where do you draw the line? Linux? BSD? Haiku? Minix?


If it doesn't run on BeOS, it's not cross platform!


I mean, yes. Functional cross-platform doesn't mean "every single platform ever", and hitting 98% is a fantastic target.

Listen, I love linux, and it's not MY fault that the year of the Linux Desktop never came and that its marketshare has continued to fall against its competitors.


In the commercial desktop software realm, that's what cross-platform has always meant.


These arguments really needs to be in the context of the real world. No one values an academic/technical point.

The intersection of artists, who are heavy users of the Adobe suite of products, and linux aficionados is essentially zero.

You do realize this, do you not?


It is cross platform if they run aCross multiple platforms. Be that 2 or 3 or 15.


I cancelled my subscription a few days ago. It was the most painfull procedure ever. Help article points to a cancellation button, which does not exist. Contact page leads to nowhere. Chat bot points you to the useless help section. Finally a real human behind the chatbot answers, but takes extra long time to make you lose any remaining patience or hope. Finally after 1 hour of various counter offers and discounts, they accept the cancellation request. I have never witnessed a subscription cancellation process this obstructive. It should be illegal.


Same here but in my case I did find the cancel subscription button, it just gave an "error" when I tried to use it. Required me to talk to support before cancelling.

That is in addition to their scammy practice of displaying a monthly price, but locking you into a yearly contract. You pay monthly, but if you cancel within the year they charge you a cancellation fee that is essentially equal to the entire remaining subscription. Not sure if they do that anymore, but that was the case with my sub 2 years ago.


I’m amazed that a large corporation gets away with it. It’s super scammy.


Every single cable company tries the same scam. The only difference being that it's slightly easier to get to a human in the first place.


Cancelling the payment from the bank side would probably speed up their response.


This is why I have gone to using virtual cards online.

When you want to cancel, you go to one central repository with all your virtual cards and turn off the card for the service you want to cancel. When your next payment comes up, the card will decline, the service will close your account for you. Easy cancellation.


I have been happy with Pixelmator Pro.

I use it for work.

One time fee, I can’t justify Photoshop CC for once per quarter usage.

I may use it intensively for a few days then not touch it for months.


This is really something I've been thinking for quite some time, canceling my CC subscription (which is monthly) but there are couple of things that kept from executing this decision; first of course loong years of habit (almost 20), hard to leave. After switching to Figma for UI design, my main use of CC for branding, print design is left to Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign and photography editing for Lightroom. I can ditch the others in CC apps in an instant, but I can't Photoshop and Illustrator, because the branding design works need mockups, brushes, textures, stuff and web resources mostly made for PS, also I've a huge offline archive I like using, also there is print work, which I use Illustrator mainly. Adobe products really make me mad, they work in weird ways, crash, lost work and data, plus couple of times in a year something happens to make me connect to client support, these are the times that I really want to cut my all connection with the company and their products.

At some point I'll manage to figure this out and take a bold step further to leave Adobe all behind. I know there are options, tried most of them (Affinity etc), but I make my living through these apps and I need reliable software with resources and community, just like Figma did in a great way for UX/product design, I wish they create side products like CC apps, for print design, even audio design, that would be awesome.


I have gotten pretty decent results from Pixelmator Pro and Inkscape.

I grew up with Photoshop 4 and CorelDRAW!, so I would totally be happy with those as well.

YMMV


PSA: Be aware of Adobe's "Yearly contract billed monthly" subscription thingy.


Thank you, we want to try this. I despise subscription model software. I wish I could find my Adobe Photoshop 6.0 disk, it did everything I need just fine.


Eh, why not rate it 3.14159 ? After all you paid for it?


I just tried this and while I appreciate the attempt to make it relatively the same UI as Photoshop most of the things I tried didn't work like they would in Photoshop.

I couldn't apply a filter to a shape layer, which I can do in Photoshop. It didn't blur out the option, I had to click it to find out I couldn't do it.

I did try to gaussian blur a layer and it did nothing until I hit 50px then at 51px it basically blurred everything out of existence. I tried this in Photoshop and it behaved in a more linear way, as I'd expect.

This would actually be less of a problem if every Photoshop alternative didn't try to be a pixel perfect clone of Photoshop. Take some risks, evaluate some choices and see if you can do things better than Photoshop. Otherwise the comparisons will be too stark.

I understand a lot of the vitriol towards Adobe for a number of reasons, but for some reason they just do photo/image editing better than anyone else. I keep waiting for the day a FOSS alternative pops up that actually competes.


Thanks for that link. I've often found myself wanting to do minimal image work, and this is the first time i see something really usable.


Photopea is made by a single developer.

https://blog.photopea.com/creating-photopea.html


A single developer who put in 7000 hours before he made a cent. It was a hobby project he was passionate about.

He thankfully now makes a comfortable living from it.

It's one of my favourite indie-hacker-style stories, as the hacker was motivated by his intrinsic joy of making something.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/9urjmg/i_made_a_free_...


> A single developer who put in 7000 hours before he made a cent.

I think this is less uncommon for bootstrapped companies than a lot of people assume. E.g. Patrick Campbell from ProfitWell has a similar story.


Ironically that this is also how Photoshop started.


I have many customers who are stuck with CC for Acrobat. It seems to be the only full featured PDF editing program.


For those on a Mac I highly recommend PDF pen pro for most editing needs. If it has the features you’re looking for it’s a great alternative

That said Acrobat is really fully fleshed so I understand why people still only use it professionally


I switched to "PDF Expert" (developer is Readdle I think) on the mac and its equivalent on mobile. Its easier to use than Acrobat ever was and costs less per year.


It's not just about performace. Dealing with emotional stress will become very had if you keep overthinking it and can cause serious issues. ADHD medication can really help in those situations.


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