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> Calling this espionage is just a misuse of language because espionage is done with malicious and intent and without knowledge of the subject.

State-based intelligence is not "malicious", and so you are misusing language yourself. State-based intelligence can be roughly divided into three sectors: Civilian, military and counter-terrorism. In peacetime, strategic civilian intelligence is by far the biggest, and is used to back trade agreements, various political decisions and so on. It's simply about preserving the country's interests.

With "malicious" out of the way: Most technological espionage is absolutely done with intent and without the knowledge or at least informed understanding of most subjects.


> It's simply about preserving the country's interests.

... and damage the interests of those being spied on. Which is the whole reason they didn't just offer up the information to begin with.

If I steal your car to "preserve my interests", it's still malicious.


Well, there's the EU...

Yes, but it's also more nuanced than that. Russia is actively feeding these trends to undermine and destabilize western countries, for example. The internet is a tool for this as much as a cause of it.

Occam's razor is probably a good match for this story.

Private mode has very little impact on what you share with the world/through the network. It's there to keep your browsing private from people you live with etc., not from anyone else.

While I agree with the general sentiment, I think the problem in this specific case is lack of job security in the US. In most European countries getting fired for something like this would never fly.

20 years ago, legal firms sending out threatening letters to people they could identify on torrent trackers was commonplace.

It's still quite commonplace in Germany in 2024. Typically, they claim around 1000€ in said letters, and refusing will have the case go to court, which usually rules in favor of said legal firms.

I'm not sure you're hallucinating. The dictionary I checked lists the printing and journalism terms separately. It's quite possible they have diverging etymologies, meaning both can be correct:

5. Print. a. a thick strip of type metal less than type-high. b. such a strip containing a type-high number or other character for temporary use. c. a line of type in one piece, as produced by a Linotype. 8. Journalism. a. a short phrase or title used to indicate the story content of a piece of copy. b. the line of type carrying this information.


or the journalism term itself diverged from the typographic one.

Aye this is what it seems to be having double checked the reply's claim

Got to the Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slug_(publishing) which could possibly support the slimy conclusion of "it's a trail through the process" but that article has an etymology section that refers to the metal slug

I guess it could mean both depending on whether you're looking for the meaning of the word or the meaning of the concept but I didn't find any other slimy grub references (via an admittedly limited double check)


another fun etymological rabbit hole for you: stereotype and cliché both probably originated as typographer jargon.

Having come from a military background where using that is second nature, I'm constantly surprised how rarely I meet civilians who understand it effortlessly. When picking up a package I say "the code is Oscar Foxtrot three-fife" and you see the person processing for a long time to extract the first letter of the word. I've started saying "OF, that's Oscar Foxtrot, 3-5" to help them out.

In other words, asking a customer/consumer to be able to recite something in phonetics is not realistic in most cases.

Fortunately the code already takes this into consideration and removes ambiguous characters.


My experience in the USA is that if I don't include the phrase "as in" (as in "X as in Xray") most people still will not realize what I am doing (the alternative "for" can be confused with the digit.)

I also ask them to check my readback of key information they have given me and vice-versa; usually that works well.


digikey phone personnel all speak NATO. it’s wonderful.

First thing I drilled into Apple phone support folks.

i, L and o are left out of the alphabet in the snippet, so there's not really any ambiguity.

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