
Learn Web Design, Web Development, and iOS Development - Treehouse - jseifer
http://teamtreehouse.com/
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rkalla
Feedback:

Have no idea what Treehouse is, clicked the site, took 300ms to look at the 3
giant buttons.

Clicked "web design" (the site looks very nice BTW)

... and started learning about web design.

Watched the first video, hit the only button "Let's Go" and found a collection
of other videos to get me further down the path of web design, letting me skip
directly to my problems areas instead of grinding through things I know.

Conclusion: Without _ever_ knowing what you guys do, what the site is or how
to use it "correctly" I was able to start learning in what was less than
probably 3 seconds of thinking.

I still don't know what you guys do or what the plan here is (heading back to
read more) but your flow is _perfect_.

Like abnormally simple and wonderful... really nice job.

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ryancarson
You just made my day. We worked hard on the on-boarding UX.

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buss
The UX is great, I agree, but I can't stand how you put emphasis on every
other word in the web design intro video.

It reminded me of an Ira Glass segment where he talked about his early radio
career (See <http://transom.org/?p=6978> and scroll down to "1. Learning
Curve"). He also made this mistake, to the detriment of the story.

Please fix this when you have time. Maybe consider hiring a professional actor
to read the script in a more natural way.

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ryancarson
One thing I forgot to mention: Wordpress/Automattic, Living Social, and
BankSimple are going to be interviewing Treehouse members who are looking for
work and have unlocked certain badges. We'll contact Members who qualify.

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rkalla
This is a brilliant marketing campaign for Treehouse -- "come use us and we'll
get you a great job!"

+50 on this launch guys.

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juliano_q
Any chance of launching an Android Development course? Treehouse seems to be
exactly what I was looking for, but the topic that I am really interested in
at this moment is not there.

Congrats for the product, the site is amazing and I enjoyed the free videos a
lot.

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ryancarson
It's in the pipeline. Thanks for the kind words :)

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tryitnow
so glad to here this. I am curious how you decide which courses are worth
pursuing and which aren't.

My guess is that it would be useful to review job sites and see which skills
are in demand relative to some estimate of the supply of those skills.

I really hope this is the future of education - college is such a waste of
time/money for learning practical skills.

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Maro
Dislaimer: I'm not the target audience.

Looks good. $25/mo seems too much. Can't take any sample tests without paying
$25.

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ryancarson
We're hoping to make a couple Code Challenges and Quizzes public soon.
Couldn't finish it for launch.

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nicholask
Can I ask, are you $25/mo. with the option to 'drop out' at any time, and I
get to keep video's I've downloaded?

Also, my opinion is $25/mo. is reasonable for access to your videos. Congrats
on your launch!

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brown9-2
Looks like the gold plan allows you to download all of the videos.

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ryancarson
Both plans allow you to download the videos

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ryancarson
Soooo excited to launch this :) Would love to hear your feedback.

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sabat
I like it already, and am already working on the xcode badge. Curious: what's
the business model?

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danmaz74
That's exactly the first question that came to my mind. When I don't see a
"plans and pricing" link, I always start wondering where's the catch.

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endersshadow
<https://teamtreehouse.com/subscribe/plans>

When you click the "Sign Up" link it takes you there. Either $25/month or
$40/month. The cheapest you can get away with is $300/year.

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tryitnow
Believe it or not I am actually glad they are charging subscriptions. For me
businesses that charge are a sign of quality (within reason of course).

I know I am getting tired of using "free" services that actually aren't free
at all when you factor in the time I have to use to really extract value from
them.

I am just hoping Treehouse actually provides a service that makes a
difference, i.e. someone can learn faster and more efficiently with Treehouse
than some other way.

So far this looks good. Can't wait to try it out later tonight.

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ryancarson
Thanks. We think it's important to be profitable so the service can be stable
and long-lasting.

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JoshTriplett
Looks like you use the video tag, but only support MP4, not WebM. You also
don't have any fallback indicating the problem, just a big black region where
a video should appear. And, attempting to dig out the URL for the MP4 video
and access it directly produces an "access denied".

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voxmatt
This is great. I've been watching things like codecademy get tons of buzz and
quietly thought: has no one been over to Think Vitamin Membership? I think
this rebranding is a great idea and the new design is wonderful. Now add in
some of that fancy interactive-in-browser-coding/learning and you'd be
unstoppable (not that the more in-depth stuff should be done this way, but
it's a really compelling and addictive hook).

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jimrhoskins
We have added Code Challenges, that allow you to demonstrate your knowledge
using real code in the browser to learn badges.

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driverdan
"Watch videos and take tests"

Am I missing something? That's your learning method? Nothing interactive? No
coding? Videos may be a fine way of understanding a process but it's not good
for something as in-depth as coding. You don't learn code by watching videos
of others doing it, you learn by coding.

The site design is nice but you'd need to offer a lot more than videos to get
me to sign up.

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ryancarson
We have something called Code Challenges. They require you to code (using an
in-browser engine) and pass challenges.

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Pewpewarrows
This looks amazing, and I'll be signing up immediately when I arrive home from
work today. Really great job, and congrats on launching.

My only question thus far: Is there an easy way for me to be informed when new
badges/topics/videos are available? Either a digest email or some sort of RSS
feed that I could customize based on personal interests would be fantastic.

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ryancarson
Thanks for the kind words. On the Library page we list the new badges, but
you're right. Not super easy for you. We should hook that up to the @treehouse
account.

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bsenftner
So, you guys just launched... are those testimonials made up?

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jimrhoskins
Treehouse used to be called Think Vitamin Membership. It's been around for
about a year and a half, and the testimonials are from current customers.

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fotoblur
Site looks amazing...however the fonts on Windows are hard to read and are
jagged, especially in the testimonials section. I'm sure they look great on my
MacBook but don't forget the Windows crowd when designing (Test case: Vista
with Chrome and FF).

Good luck with the venture. I am a firm believer that online education in
software development is going to be big in the coming years. Get recruiters to
start using your service to weed out recruits ;)!

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ryancarson
Thanks for the heads up. We're currently working on the PC font issue.

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xenophanes
Consider adding a feature to view the videos at higher playback speeds.

Even someone who is only comfortable at 1.1x (not hard) could save hours of
their time if they like your site.

(I watch TV at 2x generally, huge time saver.)

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ryancarson
Thanks for the suggestion. Good news, it's already on the product roadmap1 :)

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Antelope
Impressed that they also have a beautifully-optimized mobile site as well upon
launch. Shows a laudable attention to detail.

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ryancarson
Cheers. We worked hard on the Responsive Layout

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stupandaus
Seems really interesting. What differentiates Treehouse from Code Academy?

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RegEx
Has any progress been made with Codecademy? I still only see three JavaScript
courses. Has no one contributed to the lessons?

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andrewparker
I contributed a lesson to Codecademy that just went live today on the DOM and
jQuery: <http://www.codecademy.com/courses/jquery-and-the-dom>

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hyperberry
I really like the simple UX, although I believe others have already provided
some good suggestions for improvement.

I'm among the group of visitors who wants to know more before I click any of
the big 3 icons. I'm also interested in improving (and adding to) my novice
HTML/CSS skills, so I immediately saw value after reading the home page. It
came as quite a shock you wanted $50/month to access your full content!

You may want to take this chance to consider a different $ model. Sure, you
have plenty of competition- including big name universities- charging way more
for effectively the same training. But free substitutes abound. The internet
is flooded with tutorials, etc. about how to make stuff for the internet. No
matter how much "better" quality you provide, I think prospects will balk at
your rates and turn to free resources instead.

But you might still make a lot of money from providing your content "for
free". If you only granted access to registered subscribers, you have a great
tool for building a strong email list. The demographic has already identified
itself: these are people interested in learning more about web & iOS
development. There's a lot of cash to be had marketing software tools,
templates and all sorts of tertiary materials to this same demo. Imagine the
affiliate commission on 1 copy of Adobe CS5.

Also, I found it annoying the "Sign your team up" button on the
<http://teamtreehouse.com/groups> page simply looped back to the main 'Plans'
page. Seemed like a mistake when I first clicked; only realized it was
intentional after scouring the Plans page to find out "you can easily add
other users at a discount". But what are the multi-seat rates?

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ryancarson
We're always going to charge for our content, because great content is
expensive to create. In addition to this, the real value we offer is in
guiding our Members through the process of learning and showing them in what
order they should learn topics.

The "Sign your team up" link isn't finished yet. Apologies for that.

The pricing is $19/mo for Silver sub-users and $39/mo for Gold sub-users.

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jcizzle
Given that APIs, especially for iOS and Android, are evolving so quickly that
your videos are already out of date, what is your plan for shooting new videos
when content changes? Won't it be difficult to maintain the same professional
editing and keep up with the changes for the given platform?

For example, the big players in iOS education (Big Nerd Ranch, Pragmatic) have
been teaching iOS 5 since it was in beta; but you guys are on iOS 4.

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ryancarson
Fair comment. The good news though, is that we're releasing new video every
week and constantly updating current content. If something becomes outdated,
we'll archive it for reference but focus on doing new video on the latest
versions.

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CHsurfer
This site gives me the impression that after successfully completing the
course I will be able to be hired as a developer. Assuming that I pick up the
concepts and can apply them - is this reasonable? My gut tells me no, but I'm
not in the business.

At night (and in the early mornings and sometimes at lunch...) I have been
teaching myself to program Rails apps. I use books to learn concepts (and
RailsCasts too) and I rely on Google and Stack Overflow for problem solving
when I get stuck.

I have learned a ton, not only about the language but also about good
programming practices. For the latter, I tend to first learn the concept from
a book, but only internalize it after having suffered some pain which could
have been avoided if I had been using that particular practice. So far I would
include orthogonality, version control, testing and asynchronously running
processes which I don't control to this list. Behavior Driven Development is
also now starting seem like a real benefit and not just overhead so I will try
that with my next feature addition.

I guess my question is, how far down the road does one have to go before they
could be considered as a potential employee?

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ryancarson
The companies we're partnering with (Living Social, WordPress/Automattic and
Bank Simple) will tell us they want to look at folks who meet certain
criteria, like this:

1\. Looking for a job 2\. Have unlocked these badges (as an example): 2a. UX
Foundations 2b. Ruby Foundations 2c. Rails Foundations 3c. Node.js Foundations

Then we'll present them with those people and they'll choose if they want to
approach those folks to interview

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CHsurfer
Thanks for the clarification - it helps a lot.

I have to admit that you seem to be offering more value than I realized.

Kudos.

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rubymaverick
Congrats guys. Way to represent Orlando!

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ryancarson
Thanks! You don't have to be in Silicon Valley :)

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vladsanchez
Ryan,

I've followed you for a while on Think Vitamin and some of the DocType guys
(Nick and Jim) and I never imagined you were in Orlando too!

Makes me very proud!

Congrats.

-Vlad

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jimrhoskins
If you're in Orlando, stop by the office. Just tweet at someone here so we can
expect you.

<http://bit.ly/treehouseoffice>

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robinduckett
Feedback number deux:

1\. From first glance this is an education website

2\. No free tier, so you can't actually take any of the quizes without paying
at least $25.

3\. This is when I closed the tab

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ryancarson
We think it's a good idea to charge for products (generally). I know it's not
hip, but revenue and profitability allow us to ...

1) Provide very high quality education because we can afford to hire full-time
Teachers, instead of crowd-sourcing the curriculum

2) Be profitable, so we can stay in business and continue to grow the service,
which benefits our Members

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ceol
Would you guys be willing to do something like a Bronze plan, where maybe you
get access to the videos but no offline viewing? I'd love to pay something
like $10-$15/mo for the most basic access.

Also, I'd like to toss in my obligatory "Awesome job with the design!"
comment.

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jmilloy
Loving this. It's very inviting.

One small thing - I think the badge map would be more informative and
interesting if it had some sort of labels.

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brown9-2
Agreed, the page feels very undone. No real content besides the image, which
is really calling out for more information if you click on it.

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ryancarson
That's because it's not done :) We just added a static image for launch (MVP).
We'll be adding an interactive version of the Badge Map as soon as we can.

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ChrisAnn
Please add subtitles to the videos. I don't always watch with sound and would
like to be able to read as I go along.

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ryancarson
Hi Chris. Great news! We already have Captions. If you see any videos that
don't have them, could you please email us and we'll take care of it:
help@teamtreehouse.com

Gracias

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ChrisAnn
That's good news.

The Introduction to Development video does not currently have them and I
haven't really poked around at other videos.

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danso
I haven't watched any of the videos (as I'm at work) but I love that there are
lists of the subtopics: [http://teamtreehouse.com/library/design-
foundations/html/tex...](http://teamtreehouse.com/library/design-
foundations/html/text)

I'm always looking for tutorials to send to colleagues/friends who need an
easy-entry into the basics, and it helps to know what topics are covered and
how you've decided to organize/separate them. My main suggestion would be to
include the subtopics on this page, or at least have a button that reveals
them all: <http://teamtreehouse.com/library/design-foundations/html>

The page is already a long scroll...having the list of subtopics, IMO, would
be more helpful than detrimental.

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tnorthcutt
Congrats on the (re)launch! I used ThinkVitamin a little bit earlier this
year, and it's great to see you guys moving forward. It wasn't for me at the
time, but may be in the future. I don't know if it was just the timing (I was
really busy) or the format (video isn't for everyone), but I was impressed
with the product regardless.

One thing to note on the new site: clicking "Sign your team up" on this page:
<http://teamtreehouse.com/groups> just takes you back to this page:
<https://teamtreehouse.com/subscribe/plans>, where clicking on "Sign up" takes
you to a page with no indication of how to sign up for a group plan.

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ryancarson
Thanks for pointing that out. We're working on a brand new Groups product that
will come out in one month. It'll have a custom signup process.

For now, the way Groups sign up is like this: Sign up and then add "sub-
users". It's not elegant, but it works for now. Then in a month, we'll launch
something super sweet.

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estel
I just subscribed and...

I feel so wary if you aren't asking for my CVV or Billing credentials. Why do
banks even allow you to bill without those details using only CC# and Expiry
Date? It feels more than a little suspect and weird (though I know that this
isn't the case here for you).

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WilhelmJ
The site looks great and very user friendly, but as others have pointed out,
the paid-tier-only seems too restrictive. Specially given the motto of
treehouse is _"Millions of people can't afford a quality technical education,
or if they can, it's out of date immediately when they graduate. We aim to
change that."_

How can this compare to MIT (and other) Open Course Work and hundreds if not
thousands of good free tutorials on the internet Vs $25/$49 a month?

FWIW, I learned basics of web development/design totally free, just took a bit
of searching to find good resources, and once I was confortable with basics,
the further education came through just googling-on-demand, videos only helped
in the beginning.

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jimrhoskins
I too learned Dev and Design through free resources and googling (It's still
how I learn), but a lot of people find value in having a path laid out to
them, and having consistency in the resources they learn from.

Of course a lot of people on HN are going to be people who taught/teach
themselves everything, but a lot of people want some hand holding, and that's
what we aim to provide with Treehouse.

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apsurd
Interesting that you say a lot of people want hand-holding - I agree.

But don't you think in an industry like software development, you _need_ to be
able to self-educate. Software just moves too fast. So a person that needs
hand-holding is not going to _"get"_ what it takes to be a good programmer.

Do you disagree?

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IT-noob
Im not a IT pro but im following Hackernews for a while. I think this is
something i searched for the weekends and evenings to learn some new things on
web development and basic programming. Great website i really appreciate it.

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systemtrigger
Smart design, quality video production and badges. Treehouse looks solid. Good
luck!

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bigethan
You say "Companies like these trust Treehouse" Does that mean those companies
(citrix, BBC, Virgin) are using Treehouse, or companies similar to them are
using Treehouse.

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ryancarson
They're customers of Treehouse

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potential
Hi Ryan, I'm really interested in this but are there courses/badges aimed at
intermediate and advanced users? If so do these become unlocked? It wasn't
clear to me how much depth a certain topic gets covered. For example it would
be great if you showed what's 'coming soon' or what you intend to cover at
<http://teamtreehouse.com/library>

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WillyF
Feedback: The "Treehouse Profile URL" field on the sign up page is very
unclear. I assumed you wanted a URL of my site to put in my profile, when it
looks like you want a username to put in the url to my profile.

Also, when I select PayPal as a payment method, you should hide the credit
card fields. It's confusing to click the button when I have a required field
showing that doesn't need to be filled out.

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ryancarson
Thanks Willy - we'll try to clear that up.

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ya3r
The only problem I have with this is the video player:

Videos don't look good when not in full screen mode.

When you click the full screen button (bottom right corner), it doesn't go to
full screen mode. It shows you another button on top right corner which you
must click to go into full screen mode.

In full screen mode, videos look good but, there are no controls beside the
pause button.

BTW, everything else seems right with this site.

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ryancarson
I think you're seeing a bug. Do you have time to send an email to
help@teamtreehouse.com with a screenshot? Thanks so much.

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ya3r
I sent you screenshots.

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baby
That would be useful to me. Waow it's pretty nice. Color theory I'm going to
watch that. What I got to sign up? Well it seems like professional content so
I'll sign up quickly. Oh I have to pay? Hahah forget that, so many free
resource on internet, feels like I'm going back 10 years ago when I had to pay
for an encyclopedia or a research engine :)

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viggity
looks nice, minor suggestion - some of the fonts look like hell on XP/Chrome
and they're very hard to read. Congrats on launch

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layzphil
Yeah top right nav links look horrible for me in Win7/Chrome, as do the
testimonials at the bottom.

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sirclueless
Seconded, also on Win7/Chrome and <http://i.imgur.com/XSfw7.png> is what I
get. I've seen this font in use several places on the web (some popular tumblr
themes use it) and it always looks horrible.

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scottschulthess
Great site; I would appreciate a bit more language on the homepage about what
exactly it does and how it works.

Something like "Treehouse is a ...." what? An interactive subscription based
learning platform? A online classroom? Whatever you want to call it but it
took me a while to figure out

1\. What is it

2\. What can I do for free vs what do I need to pay for?

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ryancarson
Our preference was to get you immediately in to the product, instead of trying
to sell you the product.

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skat_et_dieu
This is awesome. I'm a long time webOS fan but I'm no where skilled with web
languages to develop for webOS but this will surely help me a lot.

I just got an iPhone due to lack of webOS devices and my inner geek wants to
learn how iOS development works and this made my day to find iOS learning
videos!

Thanks for the amazing website!!

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eigenvector
So the operators of a web dev education site apparently don't know enough
themselves to at least look at their website on Windows before launching?

Hint: if you are trying to sell stuff, it's probably best to reach out to the
widest possible customer base. I can see no business reason to target
Mac/Linux users only.

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wasd
Hey Ryan, great website. I would really like to try your product but its
completely out of my price range (I'm a student). I was wondering if there was
any chance I could provide you something in exchange for a discounted rate.
Say, testing, feedback, or anything in that nature.

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ryancarson
We're going to be launching a student plan in the very near future

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wasd
Thanks! Anyway I can get on some sort of email list?

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snaveint
Beautiful site, great UX.

I will be signing up and if the videos are as good as the samples I'll
definitely be sticking around; worth $49 a month for sure. I love that you
guys are trying to tackle this end-to-end - ambitious, but I hope you pull it
off.

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kapilkale
Mike Kus' fingerprints are all over the visuals. Really exceptional work on
the design.

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brianbreslin
Now there are two coding e-schools out of Orlando. This and envy labs
codeschool.com

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jinp6301
Hey guys! Great website design. I was wondering if there was a student pricing
option. $49 a month is really really steep for a poor grad student and I would
really like the project videos as well as the standard videos.

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skadamat
Double that!

I'm a student as well that is just interested in learning iOS, not necessarily
even to get a job.

I know you guys have put a lot of time into these tutorials and are looking to
profit from them, but I think having a student plan would be helpful for us
and for you!

I think 10-15 dollars a month is reasonable, maybe 20 dollars a month tops for
a student pricing plan.

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dhconnelly
Looks totally awesome. Not related to the product: I think different
testimonials would sell this better. You guys aren't (or shouldn't be)
competing with universities, which have a completely different mission.

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capex
Your knowledge map needs some work. I'd say Khan Academy's knowledge map
rocks: <http://www.khanacademy.org/exercisedashboard?k>

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Ecio78
I have a strange behaviour: I cant see the videos on Chromium/Linux Mint 11
while they work in Firefox/Linux Mint 11 on the same laptop, but they were ok
on my Chrome/XP office computer. Any idea?

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plinio_silva
Same thing here, the videos never start. Using firefox 3.6.16 with flash 10 on
linux.

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Ecio78
FF7 with Flash 10 is ok, unfortunately I tend to use Chrom _

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nhangen
Like the new layout so far, though I loved the old one just fine too (customer
here), but my big question is: where's the affiliate program? Did you can it?

We were just starting to pick up steam on our campaigns.

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pook1e
This is amazing. One click from the homepage and I was ready to learn about
iOS development. It's very evident that you guys have put a lot of work into
making a great UX. Keep up the great work!

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tomwalsham
I'm interested in why you'd go with 'Treehouse' as the name considering the
trademark space for educational content is already pretty cluttered for that
term. Was this considered and dismissed?

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ryancarson
There is a bit of clutter, in the traditional education space. However, there
wasn't anything with a good online presence, so we thought it was a great
name.

Not going to be able to buy treehouse.com for awhile though, as they want $1m
for it.

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tomwalsham
I was more angling at whether you're concerned about litigation/C&D from
existing players defending their TM. It's a great name, but potentially
provides an unwanted complication down the line.

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spacefungus
Great execution. I wish there was like a $10/month option though! Or student
discounts or something...

But the content is well worth the $25/month and up. Loved ThinkVitamin
Membership, this looks even better.

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fasouto
Cool design and good quality videos, nice product!

but IMHO the Badge map is confusing. When I click a badge I expect to be
redirected to the page of each badge, not to a full size image of all of them.

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ryancarson
This is just a temp fix until we can create the Badge Map in HTML/CSS/JS

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cstefanovici
This is a repackaging of the thinkvitamin website from Carsonified. These are
literally the same videos I already downloaded from ThinkVitamin. Same talking
heads, same, same...

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cstefanovici
RYAN CARSON this is lame in that its an expensive version of
<http://www.codecademy.com>

Also you are using the same videos from ThinkVitamin which provide good
introductory knowledge and that's it.

Codeacademy makes you actually code and had badges long before you guys.

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nhangen
Actually, I think Codecademy used badges after Rails for Zombies did...so
everyone must be copying Greg and crew right?

Who cares...no one really cares about badges anyway...except of course, VC's,
who are already out of touch.

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nhangen
OK, so I lied. Badges are surprisingly addicting. I've spent the past hour and
a half unlocking them on Treehouse.

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bgramer
If the Treehouse folks are reading this, can they please add closed
captions/subtitles to their videos? Lynda.com has captions and it has made the
difference for me.

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ryancarson
We have captions on all our videos actually. Can you see the 'cc' button on
the video player (on the site)?

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bgramer
Sorry, I meant to say the onboarding videos, but I spoke too soon. I just
looked at the HTML video and it is indeed captioned, it might be a nice idea
to put in a small blurb somewhere saying the lesson videos are captioned.

MANY thanks for doing this. CC is a big deal and helps more people than it
gets credit for. I really do appreciate that you included it!

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ryancarson
No problem! I've added that to the todo list.

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jinfiesto
I'm a big fan of Ryan Carson. The sites really cool. The fonts in the intro
videos bother me though. Museo in particular looks really ugly for whatever
reason.

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jenius
Also agree with this - I really do not like museo with text shadow on the web

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phatbyte
Amazing website. I will definitely subscribe as soon as you upgrade to iOS5.
Keep up the good work, and shift to iOS5 soon.

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metafour
Is there an estimate as to when the iOS development videos will be expanded to
include iOS 5?

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ryancarson
Aiming for a month

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snow_mac
How much will it cost to see all the videos?

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ketchupy
Opera (11.52) user here. Video goes black after clicking play. Awesome site,
though.

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ketchupy
Edit: it's okay now!

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Caballera
Looks great. I would be very interested in seeing a Android Dev category.

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sarperdag
Always admired Ryan Carson's work. Awesome job out there.

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coryl
This is fantastic because its high quality!

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OoTheNigerian
The videos takes forever to load for me.

I have sent an email.

Awesome Job!

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GiraffeNecktie
Any relation to the Treehouse Agency?

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jseifer
Nope, no relation that I know of.

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jimrhoskins
That is correct.

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ramitos
It looks awesome.

