
Adobe Creative Suite now in subscription form - brianbreslin
http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/cssubscription.html
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thushan
Just some quick math about this...

Adobe has released a Creative Suite package every ~20 months (Wikipedia).

CS1 - 09/2003

CS2 - 04/2005 - 19 Months

CS3 - 03/2007 - 23 Months

CS4 - 10/2008 - 19 Months

CS5 - 04/2010 - 18 Months

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If we bought the first premium suite (based off current prices in the Adobe
Store) it would have cost us around $1900. Add in upgrades at $400 each, and
we get a total lifetime cost of $3500.

If subscription pricing was around since day one and we went with the new
subscription pricing monthly rate of $95 (with one year contract) we would end
up paying ~ $8650 to date or about 2.5x of buying it over that period (91
Months).

I don't find it surprising that they're going down this route. It surely is an
interesting way to charge for downloaded software as we've really only seen
this on the web front thus far.

I'm a bit interested to see how many total subscriptions we'll sign up for in
a couple years. Reoccurring billing is certainly a nice stream of cash - and a
bit of a trojan horse for additional revenue ;)

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mashmac2
Right, but this is perfect for those of us who only need Adobe CS 1 or 2
months of the year--pay the monthly fee, add a little to our hourly rate to
cover it, and voila!

Instead of ~$3500, you're looking at < $400 / year, which sounds just about
right for me and the web dev / basic design work I'm doing.

I can use Gimp or Inkscape or Scribus for basic mockups, and than for the
final client prints/work, I switch to the Adobe CS suite for standards
compatibility, etc...

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thushan
Ha! That's a great idea - add it in as a billable item on client invoices.

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eps
Unless _you_ are that customer. Imagine going to a carpenter and then
receiving an invoice for him renting a hammer. Wouldn't that look a bit odd?

In other words it is commonly expected that professionals come equipped with
the tools of trade. Not that this is set in stone, but that's the state of
affairs and trying to do it differently is an uphill battle.

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JonnieCache
_> In other words it is commonly expected that professionals come equipped
with the tools of trade_

Not always. Construction firms hire a lot of what they need for each job,
because it is not economical for them to store and maintain the enormous
variety of tools/machines that they need over the course of a year. They'd
need a huge warehouse and a whole team of people to manage and maintain all
the equipment, and at that point you may as well start running a hire company.

They don't invoice you for each rental fee in an itemised fashion, for the
same reason they dont invoice you for each screw, each nail, the fuel for
their vehicles etc: you don't give a shit.

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alexqgb
The same model applies in film production, where (literally) tons of very
expensive equipment get used for brief amounts of time by people who are hired
based on long-standing personal relationships, then equipped by rental shops
that can afford to maintain the massive inventories of often peculiar parts
that are needed on any given show.

Actually, it's not the parts that are peculiar, it's the amounts and
configurations that tend to vary. In any case, it makes good economic sense
for everyone involved to handle labor and kit separately.

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jaysonelliot
Software suites like this cost huge amounts of money for bundles of tools that
generally follow the 80/20 rule for any given user.

The problem is, any given user might need a different 20% than the next
person. It makes it difficult for lighter versions of the software to compete,
because there's always _that one thing_ that they need, and is only in the
high-cost package.

This is a prime example of why a model like the Canon Cat or Apple's abandoned
OpenDoc approach should be reconsidered, in my opinion.

In those models (I think it's called a component model?), users buy
interoperable tools instead of complete applications. Rather than opening a
program, you open a document, and select which tools you want to use on it.

The operating system contains the ability to open file formats, rather than
individual programs. Programs are replaced by tools which can manipulate data
once the file format has been read by the OS.

For example, you might open a photo, and decide to use a magic wand selector
by Adobe, but apply a filter from SumoPaint, a resize tool from Panic
Software, and manipulate the text with a Microsoft tool.

All of your tools would be in a "toolbox" that you could customize on the fly,
much like you'd deal with a toolbox on a workbench.

You don't go into your kitchen and turn on every appliance in the room when
you just want a piece of toast - why should your computer act that way?

Of course, the operating system itself would have to be built with that in
mind in the first place - but is that such a crazy idea?

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splatcollision
We've got a great interoperable format already, that's being used by billions
of people throughout the world, it's called HTML. The future of creative tools
will be those that can both read and write HTML + whatever additional
standards work with it.

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jaysonelliot
It's an intriguing idea, but it's hard to see HTML as a real competitor to C++
anytime soon.

I'm not a programmer, I'm a UX guy, so please tell me if I'm missing something
here.

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joshfinnie
I am continuely surprised that someone hasn't come to undercut this market
(besides pirating which might be a huge factor here). But can Adobe's
offerings be so far and above others that people think $95 a month is a great
deal?

Note: I obviously don't use this suite so I don't know the true benefits of
the software.

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blhack
As far as undercutting them, there is

GIMP: <http://gimp.org> \- Gimp is for doing photo editing work. People hate
on the gimp for not have 16 bit color support, but this point should be moot
for the overwhelming majority of users. I've used GIMP to edit photos, then
sold them on iStockphoto where they have been used in advertising.

I've been using gimp for ~10 years and I've never come across something that I
can't do with it. (Including the "content aware fill" thing from about a year
ago: <http://newslily.com/blogs/96>). I'm a pretty big GIMP fan.

People also hate on it's interface. If you've grown up on photoshop, sure, but
I can work faster in GIMP than I can in anything (including photoshop).

Inkscape: <http://inkscape.org/> \- I use inkscape every single day for doing
advertising materials at my job. I've done ads that have been published in
nationally-syndicated magazines with this, and have done work for enormous,
internationally-recognized brands with this. Inkscape is a fantastic piece of
software.

Scribus: <http://scribus.org> \- Scribus is for doing page layouts. While I
don't use it extensively _anymore_ , I have used it for publishing work in the
past. It is a fantastic, very complete piece of software that will do
everything that you want to do with it.

This stuff is all free, and is all fully capable of allowing you to do work.
The only things you're going to get with Adobe's products is support for their
proprietary formats.

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Silhouette
> This stuff is all free, and is all fully capable of allowing you to do work.

That depends on the work you need to do. I don't pirate software on principle,
so I used to use exactly those three applications, along with OpenOffice, for
my everyday needs. However, when I started needing tools to do real work for
real money, my perspective changed: the glaring weaknesses in the OSS software
compared to the serious professional tools made it easily worth dropping
£1,000+ on things like CS5.

In the interests of fairness, since "glaring weaknesses" is a somewhat strong
term, I will list a few of the more obvious ones:

\- No serious typography support (e.g., using OpenType features; flexible
antialiasing for screen graphics; flexible H&J settings).

\- No serious colour support (e.g., integrating Pantone spot colours).

\- No layer styles.

The Adobe apps have their problems, to be sure, but on even these basic points
the "competition" is lagging many years behind.

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leftnode
This is great for someone like me. It's silly to spend the full amount for a
programmer like me who wants to use Photoshop for touching up images and
website graphics, but I'd gladly pay on a month to month basis.

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splatcollision
More likely you will soon be able to get a subscription web app that just does
what you need for web layout and image touchups - you can already almost do
all of it now, and don't have to fork over any $$ to Adobe.

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blub
I've noticed that Aviary has recently started offering an embeddable editor
which could be useful for having customers upload/do small edits.

Other than that, webapps make zero sense in this space. I don't see why I
would upload my images to a server and edit them in a browser with major
overhead, when I can edit them locally in a 10x more powerful application.

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mambodog
I'm interested to see how the international pricing will look for this. Here
in Australia the CS5 Master Collection costs $4,344.00 compared to $2,599.00
in the US. Given that the AUD is now worth more than the USD it's rather a
slap in the face.

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bonaldi
Surprise, the international pricing's a total rip-off.

Illustrator, month-to-month: $45. UK: $65 pre-tax, $77 after tax.

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rglover
After comparing the subscription price to the full price for Photoshop (~$200
discount off full price), it seems like the service may be viable for one-off
users. The occasional photographer, designer, etc. should jump on this. Of
course, there's no replacement for a one-time purchase if these tools are for
daily/frequent use. In response to the price, though, for a subscription
service, it does seem a bit high. Sure the suite packs in a lot of features,
but I'm not sure if $35/month is justifiable (let alone $49); especially for
one-off users. It really depends on how much value the software contributes to
your business.

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drawkbox
A bit high but the future, I really hope Autodesk will do this as I need
3dsmax and maya about 3 months out of the year. Pricing is too high but this
is a good direction to fight piracy.

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stephth
If this was their main business model, maybe Adobe would focus on quality vs
quantity? this urgency to add new features and force users to purchase more
sluggish versions after each OS upgrade is not doing it for me. Fireworks used
to be an amazing piece of software. Now it's ridiculously sluggish, with no
visible benefits. I would gladly pay adobe to own a fast version of Fireworks
on my current OS, I don't care if the feature set is from 2005.

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billpg
Several years ago, I bought the cut-down version of Sony Vegasfor about £50,
having briefly considered buying the £300 version instead.

A few years later, I buy a new video camera that saves files in H264 and my
older version of Vegas won't load the files. I had to upgrade it.

I'm glad I didn't spend £300 getting the more expensive version, but if there
was a reasonable subscription plan, I could have just switched to the new
version that supported H264 without a new big payment.

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radley
A big factor is expense vs. purchase for companies. Purchase requires a timely
permission process that can takes weeks. With subscriptions, they can now get
the software quickly and move on, expensing when it's convenient.

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poppysan
This is great. Some people may only need to use the products every now and
then, so they cant justify the high price tag. This opens up the market to
folks who may be casual users. Kudos Adobe...

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kirvyteo
It looks like a strategy against low-end disruption that companies like
sumopaint are causing.

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absconditus
Is Sumo Paint really disrupting anything?

