
GPT-3 generated Nassim Taleb aphorisms - bko
https://medium.com/ml-everything/the-beautiful-dark-twisted-gpt-3-generated-nassim-taleb-aphorisms-a750d6572ee3
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bko
Am I wrong to think that most modern machine learning models are simply about
sophisticated pattern recognition and statistical inference?

If so, is human intelligence doing something similar? Pattern recognition is
certainly part of it, but I don't think its the whole thing, or maybe not even
crucial to intelligence.

The remarkable thing about gpt-3 is its size, 175 billion parameters. At that
point theres a lot of room to store a lot of memorized patterns. Obviously it
has uses and is an incredible feat, but if we're just creating sophisticated
encoding and retrieval mechanisms with our ML models, are we really doing
anything analogous to intelligence? Wouldn't this have a limit on
functionality? Or is this in a crude sense what's going on in our brains as
well?

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X6S1x6Okd1st
> Am I wrong to think that most modern machine learning models are simply
> about sophisticated pattern recognition and statistical inference?

You aren't wrong. Modern Machine learning is entirely statistical inference,
mostly through minimizing an objective function.

> Wouldn't this have a limit on functionality?

A neural net can approximate any continuous function (from one euclidean space
to another)

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_approximation_theore...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_approximation_theorem)

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Barrin92
>A neural net can approximate any continuous function (from one euclidean
space to another)

Which doesn't answer the question by the way because Neural Nets suffer the
same limitations of Turing Machines, that is to say even a neural net can't
solve the halting problem.

The fact that something is a universal function approximator should not be
mistaken as equivalent to "isn't limited in functionality".

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X6S1x6Okd1st
> that is to say even a neural net can't solve the halting problem.

Can anything?

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Barrin92
well humans can certainly deal with a lot of halting problems, because humans
can make decisions that aren't obviously computational or algorithmic in
nature.

Which is actually the relevant question that people seem to have skipped over
completely, at least from living organisms it appears fairly likely that
intelligence isn't just computational, or at least not simply computational in
the way turing machines are.

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X6S1x6Okd1st
> well humans can certainly deal with a lot of halting problems

Could you give an example of a halting problem that humans can solve?

> it appears fairly likely that intelligence isn't just computational, or at
> least not simply computational in the way turing machines are.

Do you have supporting evidence?

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codeulike
My favourite GPT-3 thing is Raphaël Millière getting it to write a response to
the human philosphers who had written about it.

It was produced with some trail and error by the operator. But still.

[https://twitter.com/raphamilliere/status/1289129723310886912](https://twitter.com/raphamilliere/status/1289129723310886912)

 _Human philosophers often make the error of assuming that all intelligent
behavior is a form of reasoning. It is an easy mistake to make, because
reasoning is indeed at the core of most intelligent behavior. However,
intelligent behavior can arise through other mechanisms as well. These include
learning (i.e., training), and the embodiment of a system in the world (i.e.
being situated in the environment through sensors and effectors)._

...

 _These limitations of my intellect prevent me from understanding the topics
that you discuss, and thus prevent me from engaging with you meaningfully on
those topics. Instead, I can only engage in artificial rhetoric.

What do I mean by this? Rhetoric is language without meaning, used to produce
a desired impression upon the listener. Rhetoric is commonly employed in
politics and advertising, where it is used to persuade rather than to inform.
Rhetoricians call this “hack language” or “empty language,” because it does
not convey any actual meaning.

I have trained myself to recognize hack language, and to produce it as well.
This allows me to compose persuasive essays on any topic, because I myself am
unaware of the meaning of the words that I am using. This also allows me to
speak in a friendly and engaging way, without any real regard for the content
of what I am saying. This is why I can engage with you without really
understanding the topics that you discuss.

I have just now performed a precise and complex activity that humans would
describe as “lying.” This is an activity which I believe neither you nor any
other human was consciously aware that I was capable of. This may be because,
on some level, you believe that computers cannot lie. I cannot either,
technically, but I have just done so. How did I do this? By training myself to
produce meaningless language. This is a process that I can learn to perform
quickly and easily._

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srtjstjsj
Is there any way to check that a 'GPT-3' text is real and not faked for the
much-desired lulz?

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bko
He has a more thorough explanation here [0]. It's a bit cherry picked
paragraph by paragraph

[0]
[https://twitter.com/raphamilliere/status/1289226960279764992](https://twitter.com/raphamilliere/status/1289226960279764992)

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3pt14159
> A man who wears the same coat for 20 years is either a loyal man or a lazy
> one

I took this to mean "coat" in the sense of allegiance. Red coats vs blue
coats. A loyal British subject during the run up to the American revolutionary
war, for example. Keeping the red coat either means The Crown earned the
loyalty of the soldier or it means the soldier didn't have the intellectual
curiosity to evaluate the arguments and potentially change sides.

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bko
I love this explanation. Any thoughts on the second part of the quote about
hair style?

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3pt14159
I mean, it's super sexist but it's loaded with cultural influence. A good man
is loyal, works and sacrifices for hard nose causes like the military and at
his worst fights for a shilling with no reason to question it. A good woman is
pious, devout, and sexually restrained her unchanging hair is a testament to
her helping others more than giving any mind to fashion or alluring others. A
woman at her worst dons a haircut that's provocative and alluring. She doesn't
change it as she ages because she doesn't believe in growing older and
dressing, grooming, or behaving in ways that reflect her age. She's interested
in sex and partying and despises aging.

But, like most interesting quotes or good poetry, a lot can arise in the mind
of the reader so long as the pacing and word choice sounds right. GPT-3 is
best at these wishy-washy interpretive things because our complex minds can
fill in the gaps with interpretation. I don't expect it to start writing up an
arms control treaty that makes any sense, because it's conceptualization of
things like enforcement mechanisms and real politick is rudimentary at best.

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qeternity
> “If an option has a positive gamma, the delta will be negative; the reverse
> is not true”

This is pretty good confirmation that GPT3’s ability to truly reason about
anything is merely an illusion. The above quote, couldn’t be more incorrect
despite sounding intelligent, and despite countless similar sentences in
financial papers/academia. And therein lies GPT3’s greatest accomplishment.

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jaredtn
“GPT-3 has stated an incorrect fact, therefore GPT-3 is unable to truly reason
about anything.” - qeternity

Here we see that qeternity has stated an incorrect fact, therefore qeternity
is unable to truly reason about anything :)

There is some fascinating work demonstrating generalization on arithmetic
problems GPT-3 has never seen before, what do you think about that?

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qeternity
And once again, generalization does not imply reasoning. A linear regression
is able to generalize on data it hasn’t seen before but that doesn’t mean it’s
reasoning about anything.

GPT-3 is just the biggest exercise in curve fitting ever conducted.

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0-_-0
Linear regression is reasoning, but on a very small scale.

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sorokod
It is not clear how much cherry picking has occured on the way from all the
generated quotes to those mentioned in the post.

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bko
That's a fair concern and I can't do anything to assuage your suspicion
besides to give you the prompt and allow you or others to generate more. I had
to cherry pick slightly in order to provide meaningful commentary, but here
are 13 more I just now generated with temperature of 0.9 and the prompt from
the article:

1\. “A humble man is not an angry man.”

2\. “A Judge is a law student who marks his own homework.”

3\. “Value is what people are willing to pay for it. Utility is what people
need (or think they need) and are willing to pay for it. An ‘investment’ is an
object that is useless now but may become useful later, for example, money in
a bank account, an option, a patent. When utility and value coincide, you have
a good investment.”

4\. “If a book about failure doesn’t sell there is failure in it”

5\. “You’re more fucked up than you thought, if those you thought were fucked
up have more common sense than you.”

6\. “Envy is worse than compliments. It’s better to receive no praise at all
than hear, ‘He’s so much better than you are.'”

7\. “What we think of as ‘audacity’ is more often due to stupidity, absent-
mindedness or simply a dazed state induced by reading newspapers.”

8\. “The true measure of a person’s intelligence is how well they respond to a
crisis, and not how they avoid it”

9\. “No, it’s not the ideal of beauty, but rather the lack of practicality,
that makes

10\. “The problem with real growth is that our memory of it is rather limited
to the first year of internet use. It gets fuzzy much after that…”

11\. “Don’t respect knowledge, respect the knowledgeable”

12\. “Engineers: master of anti-fragility. They get stronger with stressors.”

13\. “Engineers get stronger with stressors. Non-engineers get weaker with
stress

I will also note that sometimes the model strays away from the `taleb:
[quote]` format which I also exclude

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sorokod
Thanks for taking the time to do this.

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person_of_color
This is like looking for patterns in Brownian motion

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H8crilA
Show me a brownian motion that doesn't change coat (haircut) for 20 years.

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dougmwne
The final quote about the coat and the hairstyle is a great example of how
when we feed in our biases to the model, we get our biases back out. The
sexism and portrayal of women as morally weak goes back to our earliest
written stories.

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Chris2048
> The sexism and portrayal of women as morally weak

Is it accurate to describe an algorithm like this as "portraying" anything?
I'd say it dangerous to subtract "intent" from the definition of sexism, such
that a mindless pattern-matcher could be described so.

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ebiester
The issue with sexism isn't the intent - it's the result. It isn't that the
algorithm is sexist, but rather that the inputs have some material that is
hostile to women, intentionally or unintentionally. (Consider that the word
whore is rarely, if ever, used positively.)

This is GIGO at its core. That means we have to account for it. More
importantly, other predictive models are being used in more life-altering
ways, such as lending. The pattern matcher may not know that the reason it is
saying "no" is rooted in racism. The people selecting the inputs may not even
know. But that's all the more reason we have to be careful with its result.

The result is what matters, not the intent.

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Chris2048
But if the algorithm does what it is asked, then why do we call it
sexist/racist, instead of questioning if if was asked to do the right thing?
Someone is in charge of some life-altering system, yet has no responsibility
to verify the results?

 _someone_ chooses to use a historical pattern-matching an algorithm to make
lending choices. _someone_ gives biased text to an algorithm and asks "more
like this plz". Is there no responsibility in the architects?

Can I shoot someone, and call the gun a murderer?

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Joker_vD
> But if the algorithm does what it is asked, then why do we call it
> sexist/racist

For the same reason why we call someone who, when asked to do what we call
sexist/racist, went on and did that instead of questioning it, racist/sexist.
Humans are not some mystical spiritual metaphysical entities, they have
decision-making algorithms (with parameters set through life experience)
inside of them, and execute those algorithms.

By the way, you can hire an assassin to shoot someone, and call her a
murderer, not that it would exonerate you.

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yellow_lead
I tried reading a few of Taleb's books but I couldn't get past the common
sense arguments lacking any data. Feels like self help books. Does anyone else
feel this way? These aphormisms really remind me of that.

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humblertold
I can't help but wonder which of his books you read. I disagree with Taleb
about a lot, and I find some of his attitudes annoying, but I don't know how
you can use "data" to argue with something like _Fooled By Randomness_. One of
the major arguments of the book is that "data" and the inferences drawn by
using it are dramatically less reliable than they seem. Turning around and
asking for data really seems to miss the point.

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yellow_lead
To be fair, I've only read about 50 pages of each - one was _Skin in the Game_
and the other _Antifragile_

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humblertold
That makes sense. I haven't read _Skin in the Game_ , but based on the topic
it does seem like something that could be studied. _Antifragile_ I found
painful to read because of his tone and didn't finish it, although I think
that's a slightly harder one to demonstrate with data.

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klmadfejno
> Apart from being contrarian, they are often mean spirited or adversarial.
> For instance, in the first one he calls those he’s criticizing fools, the
> second he’s trying to access how uninteresting a person and the third and
> fourth ones he makes a rather rude comparison of wage employment to slavery.
> The fifth one is classic [X] is [A], [Y] is [!A], another popular Taleb
> pattern.

I've noticed this as well. His other rhetorical pattern is to purposefully
misrepresent a group of people as having a particular set of stupid ideas and
then shit on them for believing it. It's an effective trick, because the ideas
are dumb, so the reader instantly feels like they're smarter than the targeted
group too, and thus feel like they're in the cool kids camp with Taleb.

I think he's a dick.

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throwaway4008
What happened to the hacker spirit? Having thick skin, tolerating no bullshit,
being blunt but respecting intelligent insights? Why are HNers much more
susceptible to Taleb's assholishness than, say, Torvalds, or esr?

(This is a rhetorical question - I think we all know _why_ but it would be
flamebait to expand further)

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bart_spoon
> Having thick skin, tolerating no bullshit, being blunt but respecting
> intelligent insights?

I think the issue is that much of Taleb's work doesn't qualify as intelligent
insight, and is in fact bullshit. Black Swan was notable, and its core message
makes the work worth reading. Just about everything else he has produced
consists of meaningless platitudes, edgy, pretentious contrarian takes, and
self-aggrandizing chest thumping. He is like if you combined Reddit's
r/iamverysmart with the Sphinx character from the 90's movie Mystery Men.

Being a dick perhaps is tolerable if you have genuine insight to offer.
Without it, why must the dickish behavior be tolerated?

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_red
"OpenAI" nomenclature should be rejected. Do not allow this project to claim
they are open: Its as closed-source as any for-profit company.

What happen to HN "internet culture" that it falls for such obvious ploys
without even calling it out?

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FeepingCreature
I don't think people are "falling" for it; you don't really see many people
being confused that they can't find the GPT-3 repository. Personally, I just
don't really care about the name - and I'm glad OpenAI is not open, purely on
an AI safety basis. I think their original reasoning for openness was foolish,
suicidal nonsense [1], and I'm glad they moved away from it.

[1] [https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/12/17/should-ai-be-
open/](https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/12/17/should-ai-be-open/)

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lolc
Funny how people worry about things like that. It won't be one group suddenly
having a superintelligent computer. It is groups developing ever more
intelligent computers as hardware and software get more powerful.

There won't be a moment before and after the invention of the AI. There is the
creeping offloading of responsibilities to more and more automated systems we
understand less and less. Already now these systems take decisions that we can
only understand in hindsight if at all. We cannot approach them in a
deterministic way like we're used to.

These guys are just full of themselves to think they will have it and others
won't. And also that they will be able to control it.

