On: Seaside: Your Next Web App Framework

[mahmud]

Don't fight the language. Accept it, learn it well, and create amazing things with it. One man's "ouch" is another man's "halelujah".

P.S. We, CLers, had various html-embedding formats battle it out over the years and it seems like CL-WHO won.

  (:h3 "Hello)

[wanderingmarker → mahmud]

I agree that it's very cool to transform your display code using macros, but it's a non-starter on many projects, because you can't farm out the HTML/CSS work to a designer.

[mahmud → wanderingmarker]

You shouldn't farm out markup! HTML generation has nothing to do with layout design or anything visual. You generate/write clean and semantically correct markup and you leave out sufficient hooks in there for any designer to plug-in the desired CSS and graphics.

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=700147

[draegtun → wanderingmarker]

Only farm out CSS. Markup is probably better (in most cases) with the developer IMHO.

[coconutrandom → draegtun]

Perhaps optimally.

But, I've worked with many a developer who couldn't tell you why divs differ from spans.

[draegtun → coconutrandom]

Well we've all been there ;-)

Still think of the HTML in the same vein has producing JSON, XML, etc. The CSS is then just the design logic maintained (hopefully!) by the designer.