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Students Find Ways To Hack School-Issued iPads Within A Week (npr.org)
39 points by danso on Sept 29, 2013 | hide | past | favorite | 44 comments


Of course the students are going to find ways to reclaim their device. The point of flooding in iPads isn't to actually improve the standard of education, but to give out an illusion of progress and keeping up with contemporary times.

Besides, the fact that it's iPads in the first place shows you something.


A good observation, although you missed the somewhat creepier "anything thats not compulsory is (and should always be, for everyone) forbidden" meme. Why, all tablets should have whitelist censorship, its for the children after all. And if a parent owns a tablet without censorware well thats not going to punished, yet... But we can't have people thinking freedom is possible or a good thing, so something has to be done...

I have relatives in the .k12 .edu biz including one who teaches a class with like 5 ipads for 20 kids... now its not like there's a line in the budget for apps, and if there were one, what existing program should they cut? And its not like the school day has increased in length, so what subject gets cut so the kids can play Angry Birds? Reading? Math? And if every kid has one, it could kinda work, but what can you do with only 5 per class room? Example #6749235 of non-educators very expensively trying to tell educators how to educate, and failing as they always do. They do make nice shiny paperweights, till the glass breaks anyway.


> And if every kid has one, it could kinda work, but what can you do with only 5 per class room?

I don't know. When I was in school at about age 10 we had a handful of palmtop computers[1] between a class of 20-30. I didn't get to spend much time with them, but found it exciting and enlightening when I did, especially given that we didn't have something like that at home. Time with the devices was used as an incentive for good work in class, so it helped with that respect too (wasn't allowed to use them until assigned work had been completed and was correct).

It also taught a more subtle lesson, which was about responsibility. The devices were clearly expensive for the school, but if you showed you could be trusted, you could get away with using them without active supervision.

All in all I'd say it was a success. It certainly got me interested in computing, even within the fairly restrictive sandbox that they were. I can't see why the modern equivalent (iPads) should be any less of a success, especially in areas where children are less likely to be able to afford and use one at home.

[1] e.g. something like this http://www.palmtoppaper.com/images/HP200LX_1.gif


The problem is not with the iPad specifically. The problem is that the students are in an educational environment where censorship is the norm. I understand that schools have to have firewalls or they risk losing their funding, but the immediate question is what those schools do with students who learn how to defeat those firewalls? Do those kids get punished for their unauthorized knowledge (so far the punishment is just, "no more iPads at home," but it could have been a lot worse)?


When I was in high school (~4-5 years ago), I was often "caught" for using a proxy to get around the firewall. Other kids were often caught, too. In both cases, the proxy would become blacklisted. However, in all other regards the school would turn a blind eye and never reprimand me because they knew I was visiting sites like gamedev.net (a game development/programming website that was blacklisted because it had "games" in the description). However, most other kids were punished because often times they were visiting porn sites and infecting the computers with viruses/malware/etc.. Unfortunately, the majority of kids (in my school, at least) fall into this camp who aren't bypassing firewalls for productive reasons, but rather for reasons that usually at least cost the school hundreds of dollars in fixing the computers.

The take-away I'm trying to convey is that, in my experience, (a) schools dole appropriate punishments -- it's not a black and white "you disobeyed rule X, which means punishment Y follows" -- and (b) the (limited) censorship is also a cost saving measure and usually warranted.


My experience is a bit different. First, my high school was profoundly hypocritical, allowing teachers unfettered access while forcing students to deal with a firewall -- I know this because one of the ways we discovered to defeat the firewall was to give your computer an IP address in the range assigned to the teachers' computers. Second, the punishments are neither appropriate nor acceptable in many cases, with suspensions, ludicrous bans on even touching school computers, and other draconian measures being doled out for things such as modifying boot scripts to display a message (my own pride and joy from middle school).

Finally, the censorship is not limited, at least not by any definition I would use. You yourself said that your school's firewall blocked a website that had the word "games" in it. I have seen hackaday.com blocked for having words like "hack" in it. When I was a kid these firewalls would also block websites that had the word "vagina," "penis," "breasts," "semen," "nipples," and so forth appear enough times -- like, say, a medical website. This article mentions a ban on streaming music and social media. The blacklist is so long I have to wonder why they do not just switch to a whitelist, or why they even bother with Internet access at all.

Even if the censorship were limited, I cannot see how it would be justified. Suppose only hardcore pornography were blocked -- how is that acceptable? Would it not be better to punish students caught watching pornography at school by having them write a lengthy essay about the history and politics of pornography (and wouldn't the ability access at least one pornography website be necessary?)? If the goal is education shouldn't the focus be on educating, rather than on trying to shield students from the world? Consider the flip side of this: as a kid I was once sent to a summer program for programming, and one of the other students was caught installing back orifice on the computers. His punishment was to explain the software to everyone, along with the ethics of installing it without permission.


Reminds me of the various ways we found to defeat school firewalls when I was in high school. At the time we simply took it for granted that those in power (i.e. the school itself) were going to try to censor us, and it was our "little secret" that we could defeat that censorship.

As an adult I look back at those days and make comparisons with the situation in China...


I was going to say this too, I remember initially using web based proxies like proxify and hidemyass until they were all blocked then we figured out the blocking system didn't work on a wildcard so www.facebook.com would be blocked for example but bypass.facebook.com would not.

So a few of my tech savvy friends and I setup a web based proxy on a free host which just wildcarded the sub-domains, I can't remember exactly how we did it but we had that going for a long time.

Pretty sure we used a script like http://www.phpmyproxy.com/


Haha I remember those days too. We quickly discovered that changing 'http' to 'https' seemed to circumvent my entire schools firewall. I hope they didn't pay too much for that!


That's how you get around the passthrough proxy in IPCop.


I sometimes wonder if the Chinese government is implementing the firewall at least partly to try and increase the general level of technical expertise.


I dated a Chinese girl in college who knew all about proxies, tor and vpns all because of the censoring. I was pretty surprised given most kids in college don't know about that stuff but to people who grow up there it seems second nature.


I had the same experience with a co-worker. He was a PM, but knew more than most sys admins I worked with about the same stuff because of the censorship.

He said if you wanted to see anything interesting on the internet in China, you needed to know how to get around the restrictions. He said all of this was pretty standard knowledge to him and his friends.


I'm guessing this merely involved removing the mobile device manager certificate from the iPad through the Settings. Once the certificate is removed, any "lock downs" and settings the school pushed out are removed with it.


I think you might be right. I listened to the NPR piece - there's a part where the interviewer asks a kid to show him the hack. As the kid is doing it he says, "you just go to Settings, then General, then ... oh it looks like someone already did it". In other words the whole "hack" was done just by messing around in Settings.


At our school in Australia, everyone was issued laptops last year. The rollout began with seniors (y12) and progressed down through the years. Within about 2 hours of having the machines most of my year had installed chrome, bypassed the web filtering, installed iTunes and copied their music to the laptops. The school knew immediately, and came around to the classrooms to inform everyone that we had now been restricted to 10GB of space on the laptops, and that they had removed iTunes and chrome.

For the remainder of the year everyone found ways to play games and to log onto various school servers and mess with things. It was more a point of we could. A lot of people still used pen and paper, or their own laptops. The most common use of the school issued laptops was free Internet, and thus youtube/ pandora.

From my understanding the younger years don't act such ways as we did being in year 12, and I think it's just a time thing. For them the school laptop is part of their schooling equipment, but for us we went through 10yrs of schooling without a laptop, so getting one was novel.


Sounds like they all learned a bunch. Mission accomplished.


> The students are getting around software that lets school district officials know where the iPads are, and what the students are doing with them at all times. This software also lets the district block certain sites, such as social media favorites like Facebook.

ThT paragraph could be taken straight from Cory Doctorow'a Little Brother


I was going to quote the exact same sentence.

"Knowing where the iPads are at all times" is an invasion of student privacy. If a student (or their parents) claims the student's sick, but the GPS shows their iPad spent the day riding roller coasters, can they be busted?


"The students are getting around software that lets school district officials know where the iPads are, and what the students are doing with them at all times."

(Emphasis added.)

This is not in the lead, not in any way suggested by the headline, and not mentioned again anywhere in the article. So I guess this feature of the district's monitoring isn't really worth thinking much about and it's okay to condition young people to get used to it?


I dunno, I could see that really resonating with parents who want complete knowledge of their child's location at all times. And what they were doing.

That type of technology satisfies every parent: those who want to be helicoptering, can see where their child is at this very moment. The parents who don't care, can do nothing.

I applaud your general cynical outlook. However, I tend to think schools can only control 1 thing: parents being upset. Politicians / standardized scores / etc., all are generally outside of the individual school (staff, admin, teachers) control.

So schools optimize to minimize parental complaints and staff time, because it's one of the few knobs they can turn.


Parents != school staff. I don't think anyone asked parents, "Let our IT staff monitor your child's location and activities at all times, on campus and off."

Even if it were parents alone instigating this, I'm not okay with conditioning teenagers to get used to this kind of surveillance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbins_v._Lower_Merion_School_...

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_Hv-Rrq...


Maybe now we can all just give them tablets with root access, intentionally designed to be "hacked".

Even better, give them Raspberry Pis' and let them code what they need to get to Facebook and every other site. 5-10x cheaper than an iPad, substantially more instructive.


You want them to code a Facebook-capable web browser? I mean, I'm in favor of handing out hackable hardware, but at least let them install a pre-built browser. :)


That was the OLPC vision. I haven't heard much from them in recent years.


This is certainly not an issue with iPads, specifically. Students probably spend more time using computers for entertainment and social networking than they do for school, but that doesn't stop teachers from taking their students to computer labs to type essays. Just because something can be used for fun, doesn't mean that it has a place in schooling. Moreover, students very commonly get around the very weak security procedures in place, which, more often than not, prevent students from doing legitimate school work, rather than preventing abuse.


Honestly, I'm a little surprised they weren't all completely open by lunchtime the first day. Kids, when given access to technology in a school environment will always find new ways to (primarily) play games, and those ways will evolve as the schools desperately struggle to keep up, but the school will always lose that particular arms race.


The schools are indirectly proving the old computer security saying which holds that there is no security without physical security. As soon as the school hands the iPads to the students, there is nothing the school can do to ensure they remain in control of the device.


So what's the actual "hack"? A proxy?


More like Un-proxying. The devices have a proxy installed that limits where you can go and they just remove the proxy.

This is the equivalent of going in to your phone and changing the APN.

I don't know which software they are using, but most either intercept the DNS or use a constant Transparent Proxy.


I go to one of the schools that implements this program. Most of these schools have software from Bradford Networks (http://www.bradfordnetworks.com/) that acts as a transparent proxy. In addition to blocking many websites, it blocks all ports besides 80 and 443. To get around it, I connect to an OpenVPN server on port 80 through TCP. Why do I circumvent it? I need access to port 22 to push to GitHub and connect to my VPS. I also need access to port 21 to access various educational FTP servers.

Removing restrictions on a school-issued iPad is significantly easier. Removing current profile on the iPad also removes all of the imposed restrictions.


Is that tracking that important? Did officials learn anything useful from it (other than a fact that people hate being tracked by officials)?


"Hacking" their iPad, as in running a widely available pre-complied exploit...


Except they're just removing the MDM profile, so it's not even a jailbreak.


hacking- routing around obstacles

cracking- breaking obstacles

sounds legit imnsho


The solution: just use fucking books.

Yes, they're heavy and a pain to drag around, but do you seriously have a better idea? They're infinitely versatile and aren't scared of getting tossed around.

iPads as an educational tool has to be the most ridiculous attempt yet at "digitalizing" education.

There's a little-known Steve Jobs video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q82weiAJmaA) where he says that computers and technology are absolutely no substitute for an environment that promotes curiosity and a thirst to learn.

Also, books don't cause eyestrain, they have insanely fast refresh rates, and you can flip to any one section quickly and easily without tearing your eyes out.


What about something like, let's say, a kindle made for school, which stores the student's textbooks and readings. I'd think that this would be a much better alternative since it has limited use to begin with.


That's feasible, but schools are too interested in looking "modern" and "sleek" by using Apple devices, so they won't use Kindle because its interoperability with Apple devices is not as good as something like iBooks. Part of it is a ploy to impress parents, part of it is just the "because we can" attitude of the administration.


We all know there are three ways to ensure something gets done: (1) Do it yourself. (2) Hire someone else to do it. (3) Forbid your kids to do it.

But I'm surprised that this surprised the LAUSD. They chose to pit their intelligence against the collective cleverness of a high school's worth of teenagers that wanted their Facebook, Twitter, Pandora, Angry Birds, and Minecraft.

LAUSD: Did you know that if you put a little hat on a snowball it can last a long time in hell? (Yes, I stole that line from a Dilbert cartoon. That's what this whole episode resembles.)


These master hackers should all be put in solitary for 30 years, for deliberately circumventing a digital protection system and thus breaking the CFAA.

Perhaps then people may begin to understand why these laws are ridiculous.


No. Tech-savvy people already understand why they're ridiculous. The non-techies are still generally scared of or intimidated by tech stuff, and would simply view that as acceptable punishment for 'hackers' ('hacker' being defined as someone who uses a computer for more than facebook and angrybirds).


Non-tech-savvy folks I would hope would understand the wrongness of a bunch of children being thrown in solitary for wanting to play Angry Birds.

If the American people can't and won't see the wrongness in that, then America truly is utterly doomed, and its populace deserves the darkness that will ensue.


I don't specifically see 'tech ignorance' in the US - the few places I've travelled (spain, uk, australia, russia) - tech ignorance is the norm. Get beyond turning on the table/phone/desktop, sending emails, using facebook, etc - the average person is effectively lost.


That might actually work, despite being unethical, since it would create outrage over the punishment victims' plight... The only reason the draconian punishment regime we call the war on drugs fails to elicit outrage is because it only sends The Other (the poor and the unfortunately hued or both) to jail.




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