I find it deeply concerning that the idea of diversity these people are advancing excludes diverse viewpoints and differing opinions. All kinds of diversity is allowed, as long as you agree in lockstep with us on everything.
I'm seeing this need for ideology purity pushed everywhere, in places where ideology should not matter. As far as I am concerned, as long as people are respectful they should be welcomed to contribute to the project.
This is becoming a larger trend and it will hurt open source generally because of the efforts at pushing American culture war issues globally.
I try hard to work with projects which are not Western-centric for this reason or at least which have a commitment to a community which admits of disagreement on issues.
The paradox of Popper's Paradox of Tolerance is those that use his Paradox of Intolerance as a weapon are doing so in the name of unlimited tolerance and fulfil the actual conditions that Popper stated would lead to the elimination of the tolerant through the ascendancy of the intolerant:
>Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance [i.e. "diversity at all costs"] must lead to the disappearance of tolerance [i.e. the ability to agree to disagree]. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant [i.e. heretic-hunting ideological conformists], if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.
Tolerance is not enthusiastic embrace, but "the willingness to accept or tolerate someone or something, especially opinions or behavior that you may not agree with, or people who are not like you." These heresy hunters are strictly intolerant by the meaning of the word and destroy the predicates of a tolerant society.
One of the questions that arise is - is it really a political action? For me, it looks like a pretty easy and obviously also quite effective way of taking over a project.
Of course it's a project take over, the politics are most likely just a tool used for somebody's personal ego's affirmation.
They could have just forked the project and continued happily without much fuss, but that would bring no power play.
It's weird to me how people can't see the fascistoid methodology being played out in the open though: if you don't bend to our ideology we'll ostracize you and we will "get rid" of you one way or another. I think there are a bunch of psycopaths that are abusing the trans right movement for personal gains, and are most likely bringing more harm than good to transgender people.
I mean, if i were an anti-trans, it would be actually the perfect tool - you harm the reputation of trans/lgbtq+ people by being abusive in their name and also get personal benefits by removing opponents from "your" project. win-win.
I occasionally hear such drama from the NixOS community, but I actively try to not learn to much about it. I'm just enjoying NixOS (installed it from an ISO and have been productive on my laptop since day one, gradually learning about the tech behind Nix(OS)). I hope they figure themselves out. My experiences with the community have been very positive so far, I'd hate to see some minority mess it up so much.
I find the coverage on Nix from Jupiter Broadcasting [0] to be quite balanced, respectful and deescalating, I also really enjoy their Nix Nerds Matrix channel, there are a lot of friendly and knowledgeable Nix supporters in there [1].
Calling a group "Nazis" though is often a sign of a sinking ship, respect between two factions has by now completely vanished it seems. Honestly I wonder if this blog reflects reality.
Other posts on this blog include repeated and obviously intentional misgendering of Danielle Foré (compare the name in the tweet screenshots to the text). There may be some kind of point to be made here, but if this person can't resist gratuitous discourtesy towards trans people, then they don't really have the credibility to make it. https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5818858/elementary-os-asahi-...
Yeah, I'm having a quick read through of the post and the connected posts and it's a tonne of horrendous bigotry.
What a horrible website Lunduke is. So much intolerance for people existing as they wish to, and so much bad faith arguing against their right to exist.
On trans issues: "all in the name of supporting a sexual fetish." One of several references to being trans as being a sexual fetish. Which is a truly disgusting false equivocation. This is a line of transphobia that should have been left behind in the 80s.
Zero credibility and just plain hatemongering. They're alarmed by seeing people with hateful views being referred to as 'rotten flesh' but that really is an apt metaphor for them.
For some males who desire to be women - or rather, their male gaze conception of women - this is driven by a paraphilia: autogynephilia, by which a male is sexually aroused at the thought of himself as female.
That said, I agree with you that it's a false equivocation, as this is not the only reason why some males harbour this desire.
Ah, Blanchard's theories on autogynephilia which have been debunked and rejected broadly by the scientific community and are really just a sexist reduction of gender identity, positing that the only possible reason a person born male might want to transition is because they are sexually turned on by the idea of being a woman.
Good of you to not generalise this across all trans women like Blanchard did but still bad of you to even entertain it in this context. I'm sure some people might want to transition for this kind of reason but it's not a pathological root cause of being trans at all.
Just because there may be an element of fetish to some people's lives doesn't mean you can extend to all people who you think bear a resemblance to them. That's very offensive to suggest and is easily debunked by a trans person simply stating they're not doing it because of a sexual fetish. You can choose not to believe them but that really just exposes your bias and transphobia.
Blanchard's typology hasn't been debunked, just critiqued. Which is fine of course, that's much of the reason why researchers publish, so others can challenge and build upon their work.
It sounds like you might not be too familiar with his research though? As he never stated that autogynephilia is the only possible reason why a male may develop an obsessive desire to be a woman. In fact he and his collaborators on this research topic have concluded quite the opposite.
This article presents a good summary of the various different underlying reasons identified as to why this desire may manifest, for both sexes. Worth reading if you would like to learn more: https://4thwavenow.com/2017/12/07/gender-dysphoria-is-not-on...
That said, I don't agree with their advice to prevent children from "cross-dressing", that they mention partway through this piece. Instead, I believe the message to children should be that it's not how someone dresses or behaves that makes them a girl or a boy, women or man, but their sex.
"If you want your childhood-onset gender dysphoric child to desist, and if your child is still well below the age of puberty (which varies, but let’s say, younger than 11 years), you should firmly (but kindly and patiently) insist that your child is a member of his/her birth sex. You should consider finding a therapist if this is difficult for you and your child. You should not allow your child to engage in behaviors such as cross dressing and fantasy play as the other sex. Above all else, you should not let your child socially transition to the other sex."
What a way to say "make your child miserable until they are 17 years old". I suppose this solves the issue by encouraging them to commit suicide.
Children are dumb. I was miserable when I couldn't have ice cream for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Better to act with caution and reservedness than make more Chloe Coles.
Gender dysphoria has such a low precedent it's more likely that there is some other mental issue. Also I don't expect that pre pubescent children have autogynophilia.
Better to send your child to therapy than encourage them to mutilate themselves in irreversible ways. The risk of suicide is in mutilated detransitioners, not keeping your child from transitioning.
If you are reading this and you do have gender dysphoria for the love of god do not get your surgery in the USA. Thailand has been doing these surgeries for much longer and are the experts. All I see from US sex change operations are horror stories.
Are you saying that trans people openly existing as trans people is equivilant to MacIntosh wearing flashers who go about the place exposing themselves?
That netizens who choose to go to Asahi Linux forums shouldn't be exposed to trans developers?
Why is HN the type of place where someone who is making a logical statement require making a new alt everyday? Maybe he's just afraid of shadow-banning.
When you look at the precedence of gender dysphoria and the amount of "trans" people surely you can only conclude that you're dealing with a bunch of fat incels with autogynophilia.
Compelled speech isn't "horrendous bigotry." If we keep lowering the standards of being able to have diverse moral opinions, what is truly reprehensible will eventually become meaningless.
Hmm yeah Lunduke can be quite inflammatory, whenever I hear Danielle speak they come across as nothing but kind, knowledgeable and reasonable. It's easy to read too much into tweets/toots. I guess this post will be flagged soon.
At least you're willing to her choose her own name. The blog poster won't even do that, which seems to go beyond any philosophical qualms over the nature of sex and gender. And failing to respect someone's preferred form of address is at minimum discourteous. I was deliberately understating the case to make the statement as uncontroversial as possible. If you feel the need to be horrid to trans people in order to make some kind of philosophical point about sex and gender then that is (in some jurisdictions) your right. But don't pretend that you're not being rude to them by doing so.
Interesting. I don't think any trans woman holds that belief though. I think that's something opponents to trans identities repeat as if it were fact to score points.
But it's actually a very progressive gender deconstructive point to make. Our culture does wed gendered traits to sex as if they were immutable when in fact they transition and change with the decades and centuries constantly. 'Performing' the act of wearing a dress in order to appear feminine now was a masculine in recent history, same for pink clothing, makeup, etc.
The fact that some trans women choose to do so is merely a way to conform within our culture and feel more comfortable in themselves within society when identifying with their sex. It's society's fault that we attach gender so closely to sex, not trans people's as individuals. If they want to 'perform' to feel safe and comfortable it's not sexist stereotyping.
Feminism moved away from that thought decades ago. Feminism knows that wearing a dress or makeup or behaving in a certain way is not anti-feminist in any way, nor is rejecting those things either. See third-wave feminism, or 'lipstick-feminism' to learn more about how femininity is not performative or sexist and can be enjoyed by anyone of any sex or gender identity.
You might also want to read more about non-binary agenderism as it sounds like you may appreciate that philosophy on a personal level.
The way I treat bullshit committees is to withdraw my support.
I predict the Nixos setup will collapse and the people who aren't so political will form a new forked group, with a new name. They will 'win' by 'living their best life'.
I'm seeing this need for ideology purity pushed everywhere, in places where ideology should not matter. As far as I am concerned, as long as people are respectful they should be welcomed to contribute to the project.