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Something is wrong with the AY-3-8913 (fenarinarsa.com)
15 points by blakespot 24 days ago | hide | past | favorite | 6 comments



Interesting read. But given the many possible causes:

  # IC degraded due to being manufactured looong ago (~35y+)
  # Bad manufacturing batch
  # Storage conditions
  # Chip at some point pulled from other systems/boards? (which had previous owners)
  # Fake chips
  # ESD damage
I'd say "one or more of the above" is more likely than "AY-3-8913 chip has a bug". Or in other words: (probably) nothing to see here.


A good handful of variants were tested as well, as explained in the article. It doesn't seem it could be items on the list. (Fake chips were discussed and identified as well.)


If you read the article carefully, all AY-3-8913s mentioned fall in 1 of 2 categories:

1) Pulled from, or sitting on boards that were built much later (~2010?) than AY-3-8913 original production. There's no clear indication how makers of those boards obtained their ICs. So "bought from random eBay seller, potentially fake or relabeled chip" is entirely possible. Not excluded, anyway. Even if seller was legit, other options like poor storage, ESD damage etc still apply.

2) One vintage board with original IC. This of course pre-owned, IC not tested outside of this board, and... sample size 1.

Then this link:

https://www.bytedelight.com/?p=6327

Same thing: "AY-3-8913 chips we bought may have been duds or fakes".

If you'd find some gear that actually used these AY-3-8913s back in the day, in unmodified state, with a known history (use/storage/previous owners), pull the AY-3-8913s from that, test in isolation, and then also see the same problems, then you'd have a case.

But with the data as presented in article: could be anything, really.

The only thing I take away from all this: if you're building something that uses an AY-3-891x, stay away from the -8913. Because they're rare / hard to find, and "buy from eBay" has a good chance of getting you a bad chip. Dud, fake, re-labeled or otherwise.

Which is good to know but says little to nothing about genuine, original AY-3-8913.


My guess? The connection to the database can't be established.


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That sounds like a bug or the server being overloaded, the article loaded fine for me.


Me too. But even though the page was 95% english Firefox asked if I wanted translated from French. Edit: I see that page has <html lang="fr-FR"> at top.




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