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Israel's Butterfly UAVs (israelhayom.com)
46 points by nyellin on May 13, 2012 | hide | past | favorite | 21 comments


Just in case anyone is wondering what the USAF is dreaming up for drones over the next 50 years: http://www.uadrones.net/military/research/acrobat/090724.pdf


Harvard recently developed an improved manufacturing technique for similar robots based on self-deforming materials and origami construction techniques:

[ http://www.seas.harvard.edu/news-events/press-releases/pop-u... ]


The latest New Yorker also has an interesting article on drones:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/05/14/120514fa_fact_...


Clearly the reporter has dialed up their glasses to 100% rose tint :-)

There are power, material, and optical problems that have 10 year lifetimes between this vision and reality.


Just make the wings of semi-transparent solar cells (http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/19/2958923/flexible-transpare...) and you've made it immortal (at least during the day).


You wouldn't be able to collect enough energy, solar energy is very diffuse, and those wings are tiny.


Maybe not for continual use, but if you had it land and charge then launch again, you'd greatly increase the deployment time, range, and utility of such a device.

Put a microphone or timed camera on it, and it would be pretty slick.


The time-lines seem unrealistic. While the mechanical design seems impressive, what about imaging, computing, and comms?

I.e. it's one thing to make a mini UAV flight demonstrator, but quite another to put a payload on it and have it transmit data over a usable range, for a useful length of time.


You might be surprised to see what hobbyist-grade gear is capable of today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zogJ-hIM-90

and some discussion of it:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1650766

That's only a few hundred bucks worth of off-the-shelf equipment (and a fair few tens or hundreds of hours worth of acquiring the skills needed to make it all work together)


The original article is about a UAV that masses 20 g, whereas the links you mention have video from a Funjet, which is has a mass of 550g, according to this: http://www.barnardmicrosystems.com/L4E_arctic.htm#x3

So, that's 27x the mass -- a completely different problem in terms of engineering.


Depending on your situation, a a usable range, for a useful length of time might mean "around that corner 1 meter away, for 10 seconds" (As anyone who has played a first peson shooter will tell you).


1. Re: airports and train stations - its much easier and more productive to hijack security cameras.

2. Re: forests and jungle - much better results can be achieved by implanting cameras and control chips into real birds.


20 grams? http://www.delfly.nl/?site=DIII&menu=&lang=en is almost an order of magnitude lighter.


I am sure that weight/size isn't the only parameter they're optimizing around. Likely battery life/flight range is the other primary parameter and optical & audio quality and transmission range secondary priorities they would be considering.


Use the butterflies to identify privacy-invading butterflies.


... and then destroy them with robotic spur-winged plovers.


Would the technology demonstrated to target and destroy mosquitoes with lasers be useful in some application against these?


Imagine gaming the stock market with one of these. Just fly it into your nearest Fortune 500 boardroom.


Nobody ever suspects the butterfly.


It would be best if israel didn't have these.


Tell us why.




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