But there's always going to be risks of complications and reaction.
What bothers me is instead of developing a test to determine who is at risk "science" and "policy makers" write it off as "well only a very very tiny percent of people will have a reaction/death so it's acceptable".
Well no, not really acceptable if you are that 1% (I happen to be one of the 1% with very bad reaction for months now, trust me you feel like someone has let down your entire life by not looking out for your situation and writing you off as expendable while hand-waiving it's all going to be okay).
There were reactions with the original SARS vaccines too, there is always a risk group but never a test developed to predict who is at risk:
Plenty places restricted or entirely stopped using the adeno-based vaccines because of the clots. The test you suggest would be useful, but is there a reason to assume there is an effective way of testing for risk? Once the main mechanism was found, tests to detect it happening/distinguish from other clots were developed to make it easier to treat. It's not like nothing happened about this.
> there were only 14% of the cases for which a vaccine reaction could be ruled out as a contributing factor in their death.
They should take same number of deaths in similarly old and sickly population reported after different vaccine and compare if they can rule out covid vaccine as the factor contributing to demise in people who never took covid vaccine.
This is absolutely false when any reasonable analysis of excess deaths shows that COVID deaths were vastly undercounted across the world.
And the issue with VAERS being misused to create doubts about vaccines by anti-vaxxers has existed long before COVID was something anyone had ever heard about, so your claim that COVID death counting procedures have something to do with the VARRS misuse is also easily proven false, unless the anti vaxxers time traveled.
170 deaths under 14. That's statistically no different than 0 given the way Covid deaths are counted.
Now take VAERs, 12-17 years, which is the youngest so far.
This week’s data for 12- to 17-year-olds show:
13,385 total adverse events, including 801 rated as serious and 14 reported deaths among 12- to 17-year-olds. Two of the nine deaths were suicides.
The most recent reported death includes a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1431289) with a previous history of COVID who suffered cardiac arrest and died 17 days after vaccination with Pfizer.Other reports include a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1406840) who died two days after receiving a Pfizer vaccine, three 15-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1187918, 1382906 and 1242573), four 16-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1420630, 1426828, 1225942 and 1386841) and three 17-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1199455, 1388042 and 1420762).
1,934 reports of anaphylaxis among 12- to 17-year-olds with 99% of cases
attributed to Pfizer’s vaccine, 1.1% to Moderna and 0.2% (or four cases) to J&J.
347 reports of myocarditis and pericarditis (heart inflammation) with 343 attributed to Pfizer’s vaccine.
57 reports of blood clotting disorders, 56 attributed to Pfizer and 1 attributed to Moderna.
Most of the difference is explainable by the method of counting.
If you die 17 days after vaccination, that's probably not related to the vaccine itself.
Second, you haven't accounted for the fact that teenagers can transmit the virus. Even if the vaccine is "worse" the virus for teenagers (which is not necessarily true), stopping the pandemic can mean fewer deaths in the long run.
A thirteen year old kid dies from a heart attack a couple weeks after taking the vaccine and you think the vaccine was probably not the cause? Seriously?
Second, kids/teenagers shouldn't get the vaccine if the chance of the vaccine affecting them negatively is higher than that of COVID-19.
Everybody that is seriously at risk when it comes to COVID-19 (the elderly and the ones with underlying conditions/obesity) should have already received their doses.
You have no idea what underlying conditions the kid might have had. By 17 days there is probably only trace amounts of the vaccine left in the body.
Second, you (or the original poster) can't criticize the methodology of counting Covid deaths (every person who tested positive is counted as a death) and then use the exact same methodology to count vaccine deaths.
If the vaccine causes an inflammation process there's no reason myocarditis or something similar could not last for weeks at least. I don't think a heart attack at 17 days is out of the question. You don't need actual antigen for inflammation to stay around, that's immediately obvious if you look at some people's arms and lymph nodes a week or more after vaccination.
My colleague got her first vaccine in January as she was considered immunocompromised but days after she had swollen ankles, lymph nodes, some brain fog, and a bunch of symptoms. They’ve run tests on her such as cancer and other illnesses and has not been able to find anything. She also got her second shot after but 6 months later since the initial, she’s now questioning whether it’s the vaccines it was the only thing that was different for her day to day and doctors haven’t been able to find anything else.
My mom’s friend had 2 doses as well but with the 2nd dose she’s gone deaf in one ear. Same thing, doctors are running a lot of tests on her to determine if it’s something else, but it’s been months as well and no findings yet.
And then a good friend of mine, doctor at a local hospital, got his 2 doses way back and his alopecia came back (though he had cancer 15 years ago and had beat it) so the vaccine may have triggered it back.
These are some first hand cases I know with people that have symptoms post vaccination. Long covid sucks but I don’t think we can discredit the fact that there may be ‘long covid shots’ too.
I think we all need to look at our own risk profile and determine the risk of firstly getting it, recovering from it and then should long covid happen, how to manage it. I really like how Dr. John Campbell puts it here https://youtu.be/ReDzaHoNwi0 (starts 19:54). Though if your kids at vulnerable then that’s a different story.
@cameronks retweeted about a study that says severe COVID-19 is an autoimmune condition. I think this also suggests "long covid" and reactions to the jabs are also auto-immune conditions.
Wow, yeah. There was several months where the daily count of unvaccinated deaths in the US exceeded the total count of VAERS deaths. I don’t know where he got his numbers, but seems like he dropped a couple orders of magnitude from his comparisons? Miscoding 90% of deaths might not be an official pandemic by some definition, but still is substantially more deadly than the vaccine, even if those were vastly underreported. (I do not claim either seems likely—I agree with you they possible go in the other direction)
No, 6% of people dying of COVID had no known pre-existing conditions.
Most Americans have one of these pre-existing conditions; more than 40% are obese, 45% have hypertension. Having one doesn't mean you're about to die of it. Many of those 94% wouldn't have keeled over anytime soon without COVID intervening.
• This interim analysis covers only 250 deaths, out of 1644 in the set. The majority were reported by healthcare professionals.
• In 5% (13/250 cases), vaccine was most likely cause of death.
• In 14%, vaccine was ruled out.
• In the remainder, the vaccine remains plausible.
• However, "the sample is heavily biased because these were all people vaccinated very early in the programme when only the elderly, those with significant or chronic health conditions and frontline health service staff were being vaccinated."
On the credibility of the sources for the VAERS database:
"We identified health service employees as the reporter in at least 67% of the reports, while pharmaceutical employees were identified as the reporter in a further 5%. Lay people were identifiable as the reporter in only 28% of the reports."
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03744-4
But there's always going to be risks of complications and reaction.
What bothers me is instead of developing a test to determine who is at risk "science" and "policy makers" write it off as "well only a very very tiny percent of people will have a reaction/death so it's acceptable".
Well no, not really acceptable if you are that 1% (I happen to be one of the 1% with very bad reaction for months now, trust me you feel like someone has let down your entire life by not looking out for your situation and writing you off as expendable while hand-waiving it's all going to be okay).
There were reactions with the original SARS vaccines too, there is always a risk group but never a test developed to predict who is at risk:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...