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I take it that you are wholly unfamiliar with the jailbreaking scene?



^ Precisely what I was thinking of. Some friendly competition is absolutely fine, but when it gets toxic, it drives out talented people!

These things can escalate surprisingly quickly, so you really need to be careful. I've watched it happen.


I'm familiar. The jail breaking scene and other examples are one offs though. You just need to take a holistic view of life and civilization to know how critical competition is to success.

All of society and the development of capitalism to evolutionary biology is founded on competition. Competition is, in fact, the primary success story and collaboration is the side story. Citing the failure of one community discounts the view of the entire world. Competition works, and it works better than collaboration. See communism if you want an example about a community founded on collaboration as the primary driver.


Putting politics aside, which I probably don't want to discuss in a thread about Apple silicon, competition where you argue about licensing and code sourcing for stuff that you are vying to upstream stuff to the same open source upstream does really not seem healthy.


We're not talking about health. Competition and the cred received for for being first to market will drive people to compete and therefore innovate. Whether that's healthy or not is not only a big convoluted topic, but a separate topic.

Either way you're citing singular examples and calling it "seemingly unhealthy." It's a weak argument against my example of the entire modern world as a competitive arena.


We are talking about health because I started this thread with a discussion about the healthiness of the situation. Bringing up jailbreaking is an extremely strong argument because many of the same people are involved, rather than whatever vague "competition the real world" example you have shows. And I know that the currently situation has already turned off some very capable people from contributing to either "side" when they were perfectly willing to do so before, or waste their time on arguing who is in the right here.


But of course many people who are working on this are driven by the competition as well. Both collaboration and competition have their place, but make no doubt, the world itself is proof that competition is likely the primary driver behind why Linux was up and running on the M1 so quickly.




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