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The Armoured Glass Box Is an Instrument of Torture (craigmurray.org.uk)
79 points by colinprince on March 3, 2020 | hide | past | favorite | 23 comments


Yet again, the British courts acting illegally as it suites them. I am pretty sure that Assange's trial already has a written ending.

Why, for example, is he even being held in prison? He's innocent until proven guilty, even by the law of the land. Instead he is held in maximum security reserved for the worst of criminals.


So much for Anglo-Saxon values of 'freedom', 'justice' and 'democracy'; little has changed from the times of the British empire.


Perhaps because he has a history of trying to escape the law?


> Perhaps because he has a history of trying to escape the

> law?

I don't think that warrants him being treated like a terrorist, even if you believe he has a high chance of fleeing.


The existence of this box, the descriptions of his treatment... He's not the first person to undergo this and he won't be the last. Setting aside Assange, is there ever a time when this treatment is not crippling and dehumanizing? I'm trying to imagine a need for something like this, and maybe I'm not imaginative enough, but I can't figure out why such awful conditions were built in the first place.


It's a way to cement power and the perception of power. Skirting international law like this sends a message that you can do whatever you like. It's not a lie, either. Abu Dhabi is a pretty clear signal that America plays by the rules until we don't.


> I'm trying to imagine a need for something like this, and

> maybe I'm not imaginative enough, but I can't figure out

> why such awful conditions were built in the first place.

For somebody who is a high escape, high assassination or generally high risk. Somebody with enough money for example could arrange for an escape attempt at the court itself.

Unfortunately it's also used for anybody who acts "against the state", i.e. whistleblowers. Such cases do not occur without consent from high levels of government.


> For somebody who is a high escape, high assassination or generally high risk

I don't know if it still in use, but Italy had at least a bunker court for mafia trials which could withstand even missile attacks. In case of high risk targets, I feel it would be better to ensure the safety of every person inside the court, instead of enclosing just one person inside a box which could still be opened, after spilling enough blood.

To me, it seems the glass box is used only for the psychological effect and justified with the security concerns.


I tried to reply to this thread, but the thread was flagged for a while. Not sure what that was about.

I generally agree with the author's assessment. It seems as if the goal of his treatment is to mask a suicide or cause one. It just goes to show you that we the people should always be suspicious of those in positions of power, because it may be abused.


I had to "vouch" for the article, no idea why it got flagged off of the front page. I read back through the guidelines and I'm pretty sure this is a useful and insightful article for the community [1].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


Probably because people are getting tired of this deluge of Assange stories. From this blog alone we have one every day.

And I haven't seen a "new comment" in months now. It has been talked to death. You won't convince me, I won't convince you. It's all well-rehearsed sound bites.


I hadn't really followed the story up-to now, followed the link from the first of this "one every day" (this is the fifth of this series, hardly a deluge) and have been completely appalled that this is happening in my country. This is the trial of a journalist who faces life imprisonment for revealing war-crimes, and people are "tired" of it. I expected better.


Surely it's for each person to decide whether they want to engage in the stories?

This blog is interesting (at least to me) because the guy is actually reporting first-hand from the court that will decide his fate.


Have I said otherwise? I simply explain why some people engage by flagging. And that's nothing you're to "forbid".

Sure, read his blog. I still maintain that there has not been a single interesting comment – on either side – in the discussion threads.


This is now manually removed from the front page...


WTF you're right. Given the subject matter at hand, I find that pretty concerning. How is this not relevant or insightful to some people?


"Relevant" isn't the issue. "Gratifies intellectual curiosity" or something similarly worded is. Check the guidelines for HN.

Otherwise, racism, climate change, healthy diet, etc. would have to be guaranteed constant front page placement.

Important issues can be boring, they can also lead to discussions that only re-hash well-known positions.

Assange stories are a good example of that effect.


From the guidelines [1]:

> On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find

> interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups.

> If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be:

> anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.

Hackers _are_ interested in this story for many reasons. People re-hashing positions you happen to find boring is not a good measurement of what should stay or not.

I still don't understand why this was manually pulled from the front page.

> Otherwise, racism, climate change, healthy diet, etc.

> would have to be guaranteed constant front page placement.

They do occasionally end up on the front page when people find the topics interesting. For example this study on "night owls" [2].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22413676


> People re-hashing positions [...] is not a good measurement of what should stay or not.

Yes, it is. The mods have repeatedly said so.

Which answers this why it was pulled.


People in governmental authority positions seem to want to make an example of Julian Assange in order to discourage others from following in his steps.


What is the actual legal pretext for him being in the box?


Well, he does have a history of violating bail and fleeing. Judges tend to not like that.


It's good they left the EU :( I don'T want to live in a place where anyone can be treated like that.




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