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Senators propose near-total ban on worker noncompete agreements (arstechnica.com)
68 points by Deinos on Oct 17, 2019 | hide | past | favorite | 13 comments



Non-competes in America are insane. The article points out the even fast food restaurants are forcing their fry cooks to sign non-compete contracts, preventing them from flipping burgers at a different chain.

This is basically slavery. People that take these kinds of jobs tend to be vulnerable, tend to lack other options, and these non-competes remove even those few alternatives.

But they're morally wrong at every economic level. If a company wants to control what you do with your time, they should pay you for it. If you aren't actively employed by them, they should have no say in who you are employed by.

Protecting trade secrets is fine, but you don't get to tell an engineer that she can't write software for Amazon just because she also wrote software for Google.


The only immoral part is that the companies are using them to scare people that don't know any better.

Because there is a 0% chance you could enforce a fry cook non-compete. And even trying would take so much more resources than could conceivably be recouped by enforcing it.


We're talking about people who wouldn't have enough money to fight this in court. All it would take is one attempt to enforce it with the right judge and it'd seem like a legitimate clause.


I wonder whether exclusivity contracts are really ever positive. It seems like their very nature is anti-competition. From exclusive ISP contracts to non compete agreements they end up essentially made to be abused.


It's in all professions. In school we studied a case in which a man hired every lawyer in his small town for his divorce. Then he quit them all except one. By ABA procedures, lawyers can't represent a party if they have work for the other party on the same case. His wife had to drive long distances to work with a lawyer from another town.

Oh, and there is the case of the cobbler who made high heels for a living. His agreement prevented him from making high heels for anyone. But that was all he knew. The court ruled against the contractual agreement which effectively made it impossible for him to find work.


The logic here is interesting - California doesn't allow noncompetes; Silicon Valley does well, so maybe noncompetes should be outlawed.

In another thread, (about China, I think) I was reading one of the usual earnest defenses of intellectual property. But aren't patents functionally just a form of noncompete? Sure, sure, people always say they are necessary to ensure sufficient investment. But that's the same reason given for worker noncompete agreements.

I can't help thinking maybe before long we will decide they make no more sense than the medieval guild system.


Lets introduce noncompete for companies. If a person who worked at company A is hired by company B then company A is forbidden to compete with company B for 24 months.


Let’s say I am working for a company in a state outside of California, with a non-compete. Can I take a job with a competitor if I move to California? Can the non-compete be enforced? What if I move to California to live, but commute back to the original state to work for the competitor? (Assume I’d pass the teddy bear test for California residency) What if I lived in the original state and commuted to California for the new job?


It can't be enforced if you move to CA, among other reasons because CA law says you can't use a choice of law clause to get around the prohibition against restraints on trade like non-competes.


California has pretty strict laws against enforcement of noncompete clauses. But they don't forbid writing them in, so many are fooled.


I believe it is very unlikely that a company would be able to enforce a non-compete across state lines no matter the state you move to.


This seems fine to me. These are rarely enforced but when they are, it ends up being exceedingly expensive and causes significant heart ache.


Interesting that CA/SV is used as an example for how great things go when you don't have noncompetes. Have they forgotten the massive anti-poaching agreement that led to a $1.5 billion settlement?

Outlawing non-competes may be good, but big companies will still find a way to keep people locked in.




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