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Takeover for me means change of hands of ownership and power of decision in the company, and whatever your technical or managerial arguments are I think the resulting company was owned by Apple's stockholders, Steve Jobs probably among then after the acquisition, not by NeXT investors.

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zppx 1018 days ago | link

For the 2 people that downvoted I would love to know what you consider a takeover. I'm pretty sure that in financial term takeover means change of ownership.

BTW, I'm quit, HN is just becoming a place where Steve Jobs and Rails must not be criticized, even when they must be. I will put some random string as my password and never return here, it was a good time but I think the community lost something in these years.

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Can someone write about what's going on? Is it the same type of stuff that happened to the XServe line?

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erikpukinskis 1024 days ago | link

There are various issues. One of them is that FCPX doesn't suport tape decks as well. That feels more like what Apple did with USB and floppy drives: jettison tech on the way out while it was still useful in some contexts. Jobs has said many times he is only interested in technology in the ascendency, and tapes are definitely not that.

It also doesn't support a few pro workflows I don't understand (multiple camera editing, etc)... seemingly because the new interface is a radical departure. It uses a single, treelike track instead of multiple tracks, and doesn't easily map to these workflows. This to me feels like an "Innovator's Dilemma" situation: the new interface does many things overwhelmingly better, but has important regressions.

The regressions will be fixed or outweighed in time. For now (perhaps not for long) other software, including the previous version of Final Cut, compares favorably.

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protomyth 1024 days ago | link

Multi camera editing is coming, and the tape deck stuff looks like it will be handled by a company that will do it better than Apple (although a plugin costing > 2x the program is kinda weird). The sound export stuff is a great biz opportunity for a plugin writer.

They needed to rebuild for 64-bit. This is what you get when you start over. I expect that patches and new plugins will turn it around by next year.

Lost in all this is the incredible Motion 5 at $50. Learning that and selling some templates (with decent Parameter Rigs) for Final Cut Pro X users would seem to be a nice way to make some extra cash.

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dagw 1024 days ago | link

The latest version of Final Cut dropped a bunch of features that are vital to pros and focused more on features that are useful advanced amateurs. Basically if you used Final Cut to edit home movies and amateur film productions then the new version is vastly improved. If on the other hand you used Final Cut to earn a living editing feature length movies and television productions, then the new version is a bit of a complete disaster. I guess Apple figured that there wasn't enough money in the pro market, and decided to double down on the enthusiast and advanced amateur market.

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ugh 1024 days ago | link

They should have done a graceful transition, i.e. they should have continued to support and sell FCP7 while also testing the waters with FCPX. This would have also allowed them to frame the product differently: “FCPX is the future and already has nearly everything professionals need to edit videos. If it doesn’t yet have a feature you need you can continue using FCP7 while we work as fast as we can on adding those features.”

The transition is just too rough.

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dagw 1024 days ago | link

If it doesn’t yet have a feature you need you can continue using FCP7

Except, apparently, you can't buy FCP7 any more (at least that's what I've heard from one guy I know in the industry). Which means that if you're a Final Cut Pro house and need to hire more staff, I guess you're kind of stuck going the pirate route for getting editing software for your new employees.

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ugh 1024 days ago | link

Sure, that’s exactly the problem. I was writing about what Apple should have done, not what they actually did.

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radley 1024 days ago | link

Good catch - people will just pirate FCP7 which Apple won't care at all about (unless FCPX flops).

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ugh 1024 days ago | link

I don’t think companies would dare and pirate software.

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slimfiv 1024 days ago | link

... and focused more on features that are useful advanced amateurs

I actually don't think this is quite right. I'll quote Gary Adcock's Macworld review:

"Most of the features introduced in FCP X are welcome and badly needed. Some are long overdue. Still, others are positively jarring and require a change in mindset to appreciate."

There is no doubt that Apple made it unusable for high-end pros (for the time being, at least) but I feel they also added many things that high-end pros would have really appreciated, had they been able to use it seriously. So it's not quite as simple as "amatueurs only" (even if you're talking about advanced amateurs.)

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ugh 1024 days ago | link

That also explains why professionals were going absolutly wild at that National Association Of Broadcasters event where Apple demoed Final Cut Pro X for the first time.

They liked the new features and interface changes they saw, they liked the complete rewrite (64 bit, much faster, background rendering) and, most importantly, they didn't know which features would be missing.

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jmelloy 1024 days ago | link

Also, they've been working on FCPX for two years, and needed to ship. Even if it wasn't quite ready for pro usage.

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sciurus 1024 days ago | link

Why ship a product that doesn't meet the needs of your customers?

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whatusername 1024 days ago | link

Isn't that the general philosophy of HN? Fail fast and iterate until you hit customer fit.

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This however is not applicable to every developing country, here in South America the majority of foreign companies are here because of the local market potential and not generally to produce here and send to another place in the globe, this happens mainly because of the existence of China and India that are more cost effective for this type of market than industries in South America.

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Facebook's interface is much better than Orkut's interface, Orkut is a social network that was acquired by Google some years ago, and it does have the broadcast feature that made twitter popular, so Brazilians, were Orkut was really popular, loves Facebook.

I think that Google can leverage adoption by targeting android users and creating a good application for them.

EDIT: Orkut still is really popular here in Brazil but the majority of my friends migrated to Facebook and do not login in Orkut anymore.

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gfodor 1026 days ago | link

Orkut afaik was a 10% project, and named after its author.

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Care to explain the errors?

People tends to vote on divisive issues in whichever post they agree.

Although not perfect and not entering in details, maybe because of generalization, I found his explanation resonating with what I know about monetary history, but I'm not a monetary economist.

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> Would Android really have had the same success it had if the iPhone was available on Verizon, Sprint & T-Mobile (and assuming Apple could keep up with the volume) from the start?

That's in the US, what about the rest?

Yes, this is an honest question.

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Anechoic 1034 days ago | link

Good question, what are the Android/iPhone market numbers outside the U.S.? I suspect that Android might have a lead in undeveloped countries since there are lower cost models available. I'd love to see the data.

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dagw 1034 days ago | link

According to some numbers I can find for Sweden (which probably doesn't classify as an undeveloped country), Android caught up with iPhone during Q1 of this year (1), and is currently growing faster than iPhone.

(1)http://www.mobil.se/nyheter/android-ifatt-iphone-i-sverige-1...

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jarek 1034 days ago | link

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2675668

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Well to be fair I saw a lot of people downvoted on HN because they got valid points criticizing OS X or even Rails, so your first rule applies in some other situations too, at least here, maybe it's a problem about discussions on the internet...

I use a Mac so I understand their criticisms sometimes, sometimes I think they're just whining, as I think of this article.

I think that an article about a switch for Windows would have been much better.

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zppx 1050 days ago | link | parent | on: College is a waste of time

This was posted yesterday: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2617379

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zppx 1089 days ago | link | parent | on: How to beat Apple

From what I read, I think there were not that much IT departments in the 80's outside technical companies, I think Microsoft got its position because of a series of factors, one of them was the presence of Visicalc-like programs (specially Lotus 1+2+3), in the 80s Apple was already offering an absurdly good user experience compared with Microsoft, yet it failed in the first time.

I remember that people got pretty excited with Windows 95, I don't think that this excitement was a enterprise mandate at all.

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Mac App Store is not even related with portable devices synchronization or media playing and purchasing, areas that's traditionally iTunes covers, why would Apple even consider including it as a feature of iTunes?

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