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um. well. basic anatomy: fingering does imply penetration. and it is clearly sexual assault regardless.

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Have you seen this thread? Not only are people misinformed about what constitutes sexual assault, but on top of that they are ignorant of what constitutes consent. It's quite honestly TERRIFYING.

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Hey, look who's here! Also, I am more terrified of absolutists like yourself than anything else I've seen in this thread. Period.

Tell me, are you refreshing this thread constantly?

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There are three accounts of what happened all supporting her account of what happened. There is absolutely no guarantee that the courts are a safer, or better way for her to make her accusation. It might be the opposite. Or the police won't care.

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Those all existed in her account.

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Well, lawnchair larry, I have asked, and have been asked, permission to do this very thing. It's really not that uncommon nor unwise to do so.

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I assure you then, you're a rounding error. I'm surprised if you actually think most people do that.

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I can assure you that my method means I do not rape people and your method means you might. And that's regardless of how many people employ my very reasonable and clear method of determining consent. Has the thought ever occurred to you that the fact that people believe ambiguous signals to be consent may actually CONTRIBUTE to the fact that 1 in 5 women experiences rape in their lifetime?

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Now this is some first-class victim blaming. :(

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That is extremely level headed and on point. It's not victim blaming in the least.

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Actually, pretty much every point in this is victim blaming.

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Huh? How did you conclude she is a victims from that blogpost?

This is what I call naïve. People will believe anything and everything in blogs.

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How did you not conclude she was a victim from that blog, and the two corroborating logs?!?

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And if you are wrong in your 'psychic' ability, that's sexual assault. The ends never justify the means when you don't get consent. A woman (can we call them women instead of females?) may not care for explicit permission, but that's irrelevant since no woman wants to be sexually assaulted.

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And she had to return to that job without any reason to believe that they would offer any support.

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"Blaming the victim" means suggesting that the victim of a crime perpetrated by another was not the fault of the person who committed the crime, but rather their fault is somehow absolved by the actions of the victim. This is considered a terrible thing to do because it completely removes the victim's right to NOT be a victim.

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This would condone drugging your victim and is obviously and dangerously wrong.

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Yes, obviously that is an important exception, which doesn't change the fact that the statement is generally correct.

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I think you've forgotten that alcohol is such a drug that makes it harder to resist. It doesn't matter why the drug is in your system. So this situation goes back to the rape category.

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No, it highlights the fact that what you have said is not correct, and a court of law would show you to be wrong.

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It highlights the fact that you are being far too general about when rape is allowed.

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Or the fact that you are being far too general about what is rape.

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Guess which of us that makes more likely to be morally right about this issue. I'll save you the trouble; it's me. If you are wrong about what is not rape, you've raped somebody. It's not hard to get clear consent.

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Ah, that's all that matters here, isn't it? that you are morally right and have no doubts about it. It's nice if one can make the world so simple.

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Yes, actually, I don't have any doubts about it. I'm removing the capacity for doubt by being responsibly cautious. That's my responsibility. That's our responsibility. It's not even remotely fantasy to consider this.

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