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I was hell banned on HN for mentioning it so this will be my last post, but think about royalties. Do you get any of the things you build?

Or if you left your job, would you be legally required to delete all your work and have to pay tax money on an illiquid second-class asset that only has a percentage chance of payout(the startup scam).

As for HN, I love engineers and have been on HN for over a decade, but this site is the same as startups and ycombinator in general. Built for VCs to extract value out of engineers and the public.


Microsoft waits on the sidelines til winners emerge then just buy the winners. Similar to what government is doing except earlier.

I guess it works. I don't want to support that though. Time to find a new git host.


Satoshi's white paper talks about this problem and why it's not an issue. It's only 3 pages.


Except they keep scamming...


Hey let's all judge each other in the worst possible light by the worst possible allegations.

TPW was a visionary that started a company which revolutionized software development. Maybe some of you weren't around back then, but as a git early adopter github was a god send. And it was written by one of us. A developer who built an open source time library. A man who turned down 300k at a time where that salary was top 1%(still is, I believe).

But feel free to publicly denounce someone based on hearsay. Or you can start on the road of balanced thought and stop filling your head up with propaganda.


> TPW was a visionary

Regardless of whether this is true - you think “visionaries” should get a free pass for harassing people?

> publicly denounce someone based on hearsay

You know GitHub confirmed that he did harass an employee right? It was just before he resigned because of the aforementioned harassment.


Since there was no criminal misconduct, everyone realized their mistakes, admitted them, and changed things to prevent further mistakes. I'm not sure you could ask for more from humans.

So ya, I'll give him a pass on this one. It's not a blanket statement that visionaries should be able to harass people. That's not the argument I'm making.


Not that it matters, but he wasn’t offered $300k salary. He was offered $300k over three years retention bonus, which isn’t as rare back then.


Nah, I grew up in Texas. It's a counterculture thing, most people consider it trashy to fly the confederate flag.


It doesn't need to be anything like the human mind. Like cars not resembling horses.


Sounds like a good reason to start only accepting crypto


Except that won't help you? Usually, payment processors are ordered to redirect funds as that is usually the easiest way, but if that is not an option, your customers will be ordered directly to redirect payments. As long as you have customers within the jurisdiction, they will find a way to make you not earn any money from them until your fine is paid.


> I can only speak to the US but this is much more an insurance issue than a wealth issue. When I made $30k a year I had a ~$75k surgery and it cost me about $1200 all in, including follow-up copays with the surgeon, because I had good insurance through my employer. I probably had $15k in credit card debt at the time and rented a $400/mo room in someone else's house - certainly not rich by any stretch.

This isn't rich. Rich is the ability to direct people to research life extension and disease prevention. It's to be able to have access to the newest techniques and best doctor, regardless of world location.

It's the ability to have a sick child with 24/7 doctors and only worry about the child.

Rich is the ability to buy an island and create a clone army of yourself, using that army to construct the largest ai supercomputer the world has ever seen, then solving aging and disease ultimately merging with the machine, redefining and extending what it means to be human.

Err sorry wrong thread.


Don't listen to risk-averse engineers. You are young, invest in high risk things you believe in. Make it an active investment if you can.

Recognize who is giving you boring advice(index funds), look at the risk levels in their life, and then disregard them if they don't take chances on anything.

At a young age your risky investment % should be at it's highest. The exact amount will depend on your appetite.


That's a fair thought to entertain and thanks for raising it. As a counter-balancing point, I'd advise considering input from a variety of people who have created financial security or built actual wealth, ask them how they did it, and consider the extent to which your situation, skills, and goals have similarities or differences from their path. (I absolutely agree that full or nearly-full "risk on" is the way to go as a young person during the accumulation phase of your life.)

"Boring advice" works to make multi-millionaires in a predictable, boring fashion, especially when the available timeline is 40-50 years.


I will have personally invested $110k (by 2019) at age 23. All of my retirement accounts (401k, T-IRA, HSA) are invested in ETFs (0.06 expense ratio average) and a few actively managed funds with 20+% returned from 3YR-5YR view.

The rest is invested in individual stocks and high-risk mutual funds. Once I am 30, I will start pumping more into ETFs (stocks and add in bonds).

I absolutely love the advice. Everyone is different but I try to be as risky as possible with at least 40-50% of my portfolio until I am 30.

Two possible changes to my strategy will be if I build a good software product/business that makes more income. I will divert the money put into risky investing and dump it into my products/business. The other change is buying a home ($100-250,000). I want to raise backyard chickens!


I like this advice, particularly the warning against risk-averse behavior. Literally anyone can give the most common answers. It takes someone with true insight to actually see what the person needs, in this case how the risk profile changes over time.


As this is an Internet forum, it's kind of hard to evaluate how much risk commenters take in their lives; don't assume that all of the boring advice comes from boring people.


Only make it active if you have influence on the outcome (i.e., starting your own business). If we're talking stock investing, you'll just get eaten. Which can be a good lesson, but it's one you can skip if you want and go directly to index funds. :)

You can use your money to generate passive income, or you can use it to get leverage (retaining more of a percent of your startup; taking a risk on a risky but better job; etc.). In either of those paths, do it smartly.


I'm not sure if it's true that your investment percentage should be at its highest while young. Maybe as a percentage of your total assets? But then it's just a consequence of when you're young you have lower assets. Whereas if you're instead talking about a percentage of your income, say, then perhaps your risky investment should be highest when you're older, because by then you've developed a nest egg that will basically secure your retirement so long as you leave it alone (e.g. with "boring" index funds) you can devote all of your income to whatever risky endeavors without having to worry about the high probability downside of losing it all.

There's some basic math around compound interest that comes into play that young people should consider. While growing up my state required a "financial literacy" course for everyone, I assume that's expanded across the country so most people should be able to do the math if they're so inclined, but I also think charts like these are useful and good enough to get the point across: http://www.businessinsider.com/amazing-power-of-compound-int... Generally speaking, start-time for getting the investment nest egg rolling dominates.

Also even if your appetite for risk is large now, you have to really ask what you want out of any risky endeavor, when you want it realized, and what you'll be satisfied with, since if you'll be satisfied with X there's little reason to pursue some high risk activity that if it works out returns Y >> X but most likely (being high risk) you won't even break even. Consider a risky endeavor that's less risky in that if it works out will give you X, but with the nature of risk the probabilities of not working out are lowered. Boring index funds are a type of this lower risk investment that can satisfy "effectively able to retire" in your 30s, but they're not going to satisfy rich startup gains leading to double-digit millionaire+ status. It's at least a path if you want that certain state of "retirement nest egg" when you're in your 30s, and by extension works if you just want it for your 60s too. On the other hand, maybe you're someone indifferent to when you want unicorn-success riches to be realized (great if tomorrow, fine if 20 years from now after you finally catch a break and haven't died first).


Easier said than done. What high risk (low effort) investment opportunities are there for non accredited investors?

I guess there's real estate but I don't know if that qualifies as 'high risk'...

And cryptocurrencies, but I'd call that 'gambling' not 'investment' :)


ATMs - put one in a popular spot, there's an app that tells you when it needs to be refilled, go refill it. You can find people selling their ATMs already set up in locations. You have to drive around and refill them so the biggest risk is that someone robs you. Liquor store is another good one. A friend's roommate bought one for $400K and makes $16K/month. He just refills inventory and sits around selling booze. A lot of that goes towards his loan but after that he'll be making way more than I probably ever will. The risk again is that someone robs you. I always check bizbuysell.com to see what kinds of things are out there.


The low-effort part is your sticking point. In my experience, most people are best served treating money conservatively and taking large risks with their time investments -- learn a rare craft, start a business, etc.


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