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Not sure where you got the idea that the core development team has been cut, Firefox development remains strong. For example, here's a 1,000+ line patch that just landed two days ago. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1779952


I shouldn’t of said cut, but they did layoff 250 members 2 years ago and among those were the Servo team.

https://www.protocol.com/amp/mozilla-layoffs-2646950077


That's not the core dev team, at all. Servo was a research group, building an experimental browser engine, parts of which did end up transitioning across to Gecko.


Some senior core developers were definitively let go, though, e.g. David Baron (who is now working for Google on Chrome instead).


Look at the tech Mozilla produces, all of it is non portable, exclusively for FF, and is not particularly great.

Chromium can be extended in many ways. V8 can be used anywhere and is what spawned node and the idea of JavaScript server and client side.

Firefox is more like a product that's source available than an open source project made to benefit the ecosystem.

They would do better to finally pony up, reskin chromium, and stop playing catch up.


They really should rebadge Chromium, then they can frolic with Rust UI changes and focus more on what they really seem to care about.


Before turning this into another Mozilla hate thread, we should consider the following:

1) Mozilla China is practically an independent organization and their Firefox builds have been quite different from "Normal" Firefox for a long time.

2) That error code is 451, "Unavailable For Legal Reasons", usually used to indicate government censorship.


Also, I believe this is related to a legal precedent against ad-blocking in China (https://adguard.com/en/blog/china-blocks-ad-blocking.html), which AdGuard notes that is ironic given that UC Browser has adblockers.


Was it not choices made by Mozilla which led to consideration 1 being possible? If so, isn't criticism of those decisions valid discussion.


Under normal circumstances it would gracefully fail. If the connection fails normally the browser will keep trucking along, the problem was a bug deep inside the network stack that could've been triggered by any HTTP/3 connection.


Does this support Firefox?


average disingenuous HNer making comparisons between compilers and web browsers. Everyone involved knows Shadow DOM V0 was a rush job, as was the YouTube redesign that used it (it had major perf issues even in chrome when it came out). The standardized ShadowDOM v1 is better in every way and works in all browsers. It's pretty clear that Google wanted V0 to spread as far as possible so they could force it to become a standard, as removing it would "break the web". Shadow DOM, regardless of version, isn't critical for a product like YouTube. The "web" is only the "web" if parties involved play fair, even just a bit, otherwise it's back to IE6.


Works fine on Windows. Linux only makes up 3% of Firefox users so it's no surprise they haven't prioritized it.


> You would recoil in disgust.

Why would I recoil in disgust? What if I prefer ads to total dependence on a single revenue source?

Also comparing Brave to Firefox is like comparing a browser with it's owns independent stack to a browser that's just a fork of a different browser, wait!


> They certainly wouldn't have shitcanned the Servo project, really the only possible threat to Google's de facto monopoly over the web and the biggest meaningful way to fight for the open web.

Anyone that followed Servo closely knows it was a dead end. It was literally never going to ship, ever. They freaking started a rewrite of the layout component at some point. Simple pages like google.com kept breaking. It was an R&D project, the good stuff already got merged into gecko (Stylo, WebRender). A lot of top servo contributors and GFX people got moved to Gecko. The project fulfilled its purpose, it made Gecko better.


That's unfortunate, you should try updating your GPU drivers (if you're on linux there's some different things you need to change). Firefox uses the GPU for more stuff so bad drivers really heck it up.


This is on the iPhone.


That's extra strange. Because Firefox on iOS is just a thin wrapper over a WebKit Webview. It should basically be as stable as safari then.


That's even worse. Because the issue on iphone is regular encounters with pages being corrupted (as in, split in the middle).


Container tabs. Good text rendering. Support for some niche css features, the WebExtension implementation can support more advanced extensions (sidebar, runtime theme modification, dns, etc). shift+right click to bypass websites that block context menus. if a website uses the background-image css property, the firefox context menu will have the correct image options and chrome won't. i can hold ctrl and properly select HTML tables to paste into spreadsheets.


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