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Seems false to me. Explosive growth in 2020 during Covid was widely recorded and seeming engagement. Flips of X were associated with massive drops in population and bots.

This seems entirely wrong to me


To Ives credit he tried to do the brand split and focused on Apple Watch as the test bed first with “Edition” then “Hermes”

There just wasn’t the demand.


That seemed more like experimenting with interesting industrial design approaches and materials though. It’s not as much like, a very distinct side-hustle to design stuff that’s completely different.

They sort of do this with Beats as a parallel business to their own Apple speakers with products that aim at a totally different market. They need to start doing that with computers too. The entire Mac lineup is designed to be, like, a Honda Accord or Camry. But the Mac Pro is crap, they need a business-line that makes a computing equivalent of a pickup truck but they don’t want to commit.


It’s funny when people don’t understand what they are saying like you.

The watch was not only eventually a mega hit, it was an Ive/jobs idea.

Literally everything you are saying is wrong.


If you think literally everything I'm saying is wrong, you haven't done much of a job of explaining why.

I realise that the watch was probably under development for years before Jobs died. It was, however, released in a half baked state – do you remember what the the original use of the lozenge shaped button was, for example? Things being "hits" is not what's under discussion here, Apple has sold a lot of stuff in the Cook era, no doubt about that. Microsoft has had a lot of hits too, doesn't make their products Old-Apple-like!

I don't know how good Ive is without Jobs. His post-Jobs efforts have been pretty mixed. I'd argue Apple's hardware has improved since he left (although, admittedly through playing it safe, especially with the Mac).

Do you think Apple is in decline when it comes to the quality of their products? Because if you don't we're just talking past each-other.


The Apple Watch was launched as a confused product. Go watch the original Apple Watch launch announcement. Basically none of it landed with consumers. Apple significantly changed their focus within, what, a couple of years? Remember how you could buy a gold one for a truckload of money? Give me a break. Kudos to Apple for managing to change course in less than 5 years, for once, but let’s not pretend the. Apple Watch was a perfect idea passed down from the almighty. It did terribly.

It’s almost like Google AMP was a good idea and solving this problem this community had a melt down over it.

The 10000ft perspective on AMP was correct, the lived reality was awful. And the technical implementation used can't be divorced from everything that surrounded it: Google's place in the industry with regard to search engines, ads, etc.

In this specific example there is a very big difference between producing a format for use in a first-party app vs trying to replace standards for content used across the web.


> And the technical implementation used can't be divorced from everything that surrounded it: Google's place in the industry with regard to search engines, ads, etc.

I mean... sure it could have? There could have been an independent "AMP Foundation" that forked the standard away from Google and owned the evolution of it from then on. Like how SPDY was forked away from Google ownership into HTTP2.


AMP was a good technical solution for a short window of time, deliberately tanked by confusing/centralized stewardship.

They kept opening it more and more but by then it was too late.


No it wasn't. It was a tool to attempt to keep people on Google's surface area rather than freeing them to browse the web as the web was intended.

This is a tautology. Child prodigies that are identified often become academics who are railroaded into uselsss irrelevance.

Actual child prodigies like tiger woods or Justin Bieber who were genuinely insanely brilliant at a young age at non academic things went on to be wildly successful.


Vibe coding seems to be the iPhone camera to DSLR moment for programming.

- No professional used an iPhone for years. Most don’t today.

- Professional scoffed at it as a toy

- The toy shifted the balance of volume through everyday enablement of amateurs to a degree that professional were right, but now in a severely lopsided terrain.

The value ends up in the most engaged paradigm, rather than the most perfect one.


I’ve noticed it California since legalization use has skyrocketed and everyday intelligence seems to have gone through the floor. Similar to if we as a society started day drinking regularly.

I see people smoke all day all the time now and while driving and it clearly affects their judgement. I don’t know why legalization lead to “no moderation at all” and “I smoke at work”


> I’ve noticed it California since legalization use has skyrocketed and everyday intelligence seems to have gone through the floor.

True, but I’m still outperforming the raised by iPad kids entering the workforce now. Any intelligence I’ve lost was not going towards anything that mattered anyway.


I live in MN where it’s effectively been decriminalized for years. I believe 100% it has had extremely negative effects on the general populace. I see it in myself and all of my Gen Z/millennial friends that smoke regularly. The amount of money I’ve wasted alone on weed is frankly disgusting, and it’s not looked down upon like it would be if I was at the liquor store every other day blowing my paychecks.

Agreed completely on the day drinking point. That’s actually what got me to quit initially years ago. I realized, would I be drinking right now before work? Hell no. So why am I okay with getting high?


Correlation does not imply causation. Society has bigger problems(probably).

I've certainly noticed people acting as if they had less "everyday intelligence" where I live, where cannabis is not legal, and consumption has not soared.

Net contributor along with phones and agitation of modern life.

I don’t know why it seems so hard for these guys to understand you scorecard every step for new strategy to Close distance at goal and if you have multiple generated forward options with no good weight you spawn a new agent and multiple paths. Then you score all the terminal branches and prune.

LLMs aren’t constrained to linear logic like your average human.


Would not iterative blank prompting simply be a high complexity/dimensional pattern expression of the collective weights of the model.

I.e if you trained it on or weighted it towards aggression it will simply generate a bunch of Art of War conversations after many turns.

Me thinks you’re anthropomorphizing complexity.


No, yeah, obviously, I'm not trying to anthropomorphize anything. I'm just saying this "religion" isn't something completely unexpected or out of the blue, it's a known and documented behavior that happens when you let Claude talk to itself. It definitely comes from post-training / "AI persona" / constitutional training stuff, but that doesn't make it fake!

I recommend https://nostalgebraist.tumblr.com/post/785766737747574784/th... and https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/the-claude-bliss-attractor as further articles exploring this behavior


It’s not surprising that a language model trained on the entire history of human output can regurgitate some pseudo-spiritual slop.

Something something… great artist steal.

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