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Awesome, thanks. Bought two for my friends.

Dang, the commenter you are fighting with is right.

I had my account hell banned by posting "too many articles about Snowden/NSA".

PG even modified the HN code to automatically friction-drag (partially flag) articles of such content. He simply blocked content which didn't agree with his viewpoint.

I lost nearly all respect for HN over this.

I am a solid citizen here (my comments are solid and regularly upvoted), yet my account is hell-banned primarily for my views.

I personally believe this is proof that "peak-HN" and "peak-YC" has already occurred.

Given that I can see your post, I don't think you can be hellbanned (presuming that I understand hellbanning correctly).

My account has various drag-coefficients on it - which "dang" can see ... all of which hamstring my ability to participate (anywhere near) equally on HN.

What's a drag-coefficient in this context? What, specifically, are you seeing that's somehow preventing you from participating equally?

Le Keqiang is not "some apparatchik" - he's the #2 leader in all of China, and a superlative scientist.

In the early days a joke circulated around Beijing in "China hand" circles as follows:

What's the difference between a Hong Kong Chinese and a mainland Chinese?

The Hong Kong Chinese knows the difference between 1/100th and 1/1000th of an inch.

By the way, Li Keqiang (#2 in China leadership) is a fantastic scientist, wonderfully inquisitive/open-minded about knowledge, and is encyclopedic. Great guy.

"sharetea" has the right idea.

I've studied China for 29 years, speak/read Chinese and Japanese well, and have lived there long stretches.

All his statistics are correct. Most importantly is the capital flight - of both Chinese individuals and overseas investors.


Not to mention the expats (though I guess we are small part of this). I have to do a bank run today because we aren't allowed to do forex on weekends anymore (the rules get weirder and weirder!).


And all done. Took about 3 hours, but I had to run back home to get my old passport (my current one wasn't good enough). The bank was filled with people doing the same thing.


sharetea is closer than the govt figures.

Smoking gun is capital flight by Chinese themselves.


The baby carrot is a bacteria nightmare, as are sliced apples. Removing the skin that early is inimical to your stomach's pro-bacterial flora and bad to the entire digestive tract - even if you can disguise the decay with a spray which causes apples not to brown, or with water to make carrots seem not spoiled. However, they both become slimy much more quickly, a telltale sign. That decay/bacteria is present from nearly the moment you shave/slice it. The stomach is the body's largest organ - many consider it the "second brain". Inimical for health to seed the stomach's flora with the bad bacteria of shaved/sliced produce.


Your comment is flatly wrong. 完全不对。 I've lived in and researched China for 28 years.


It's not flatly wrong.

I might not have lived in and researched China for 28 years, but I'm not exactly a stranger to the place and have spent the better part of a decade in China and the greater China area and have been circumventing the great firewall for almost 15 years.

Unless your China research has been limited to something like the tea cultivating habits of the Bulang minority, you should be able to list off the top of your head a half dozen better targets than the current attack, which is two relatively small projects, largely unknown to the Chinese people, and hosted on another website (GitHub) that is once again largely unknown to majority of Chinese Internet users.

I still stand by my statement that the Chinese government doesn't really care what the rest of the world reads/watches so long as they can control what their local citizens have access too.

If the Chinese government wanted those projects gone they would just block those project pages. Their current infrastructure is more than sufficient to do that both from a technical perspective in blocking just those projects rather than the entire GitHub domain, and from a man power perspective (tens of thousands of people employed to monitor the web for 'objectionable' content).

If the government was really interested in knocking material they find objectionable off the internet through a DDoS then thanks to the GFW they already have a big list of sites and content they don't like and they could take the total GitHub DDoS traffic and proportion it among the top however many sites they don't like and bring them down far more easily than bringing down GitHub, and with far less people caring about it.

P.S. If you want me to take you seriously as an expert on China, you probably shouldn't put google-translated Chinese messages on your twitter feed.


If the PRC solution was blocking the project pages, then Chinese users could just fork clones to circumvent the block. Forcing foreign organizations to anticipate some cost in supporting anti-censorship software is precisely about controlling their own citizens. Your personal attacks do nothing to support your argument. The use of these tools, at large, by the Chinese people may not be what the attack is about. It could very well be a an effort against some select group that are known users of these tools.


The GFW is advanced enough to do automated blocking based on content. People could keep forking and those projects would keep getting blocked automatically.

Yes you could change wording up, but then you run the risk of either obfuscating it too much that users of the program don't how to find it, or the government updating filters to block the changes content also.

Groups with real desire to circumvent the GFW have other ways to do it. I've been use ssh tunnelling for almost 15 years without major issues.


Well written.

I first passed thru ShenZhen in 1985, when it indeed was a sleepy fishing village of 10,000 people. At that time I continued on to attend 北京大学 (Beijing University), living in 中关村 (ZhongGuanCun), where many high-tech HQ's (such as BaiDu, Sina Weibo) are now.

ShenZhen has grown overnight to the 4th largest city in China, and your description of it is superb.

Joi Ito hits the nail on the head, as do you.


My trust in HN has dropped significantly since this censorship became so comprehensive.


since I posted this comment it gained about 16 points and dropped from page 2 to page 4



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